[3.6] Updated / Ice Nova CoC & Cospri ! / 2 - 3M SHAPER DPS /Clear Speed / Multiple Versions

What about removing conc. effect gem and taking cold pen gem instead? Whats the damage difference in your opinion?

Also 3points removed blast radius -> throatseeker

Thanks

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sergio_thor92 wrote:

Hey guys, Im back here.

I was doing some of theorycrafting while was reading new posts of this topic and checking a lot of profiles.

As a personal preference I usually use Cyclone combined with a fast movement speed, so maybe I will drop Flame Dash and Shield Charge and use Leap Slam for all.

In my opinion to run Pure talent with Assasin is a must. During my gameplay feel I lack on critical strike chance sometimes and that 0.5% crit base do another global 5% on your stats so will help for sure.

Yeah the base crit is good, I would recommend it too.

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For now a simple clarity can save your problems with mana when you are big hitted and lose your mana pool because of MoM.

or use a Lavianga (unique mana flask to let you cost no mana for a few seconds)

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Due to the curse effectiveness, in the past was necessary to use a Life Leech gem because Warlock Mark was so poor vs bosses with high resitance to the curses. Take this in consideration, I will test it.

The curse has 2% life/mana leech, but even if you're facing shaper, where you have only 0.4% life/mana leech, it is still more than enough to cap your leech per second. So the leech against normal mobs and shaper makes literally no difference.

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I think Command of the Pit are not necessary, is soooo easy place an arcane surge lvl 7 or 9 and to proc it in one or two Vortex (what we will do anyways because of Bonechill effect).

This I agree, when I built this, I was just thinking of a better option since I had more than enough resistances, and the Command of Pit caught my eyes. I didn't consider Acuity simply because it was too expensive and I couldn't afford it xD. However, rare golves can do just fine as well.

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With this all in consideration I think there are three possible outputs for the build.

1) The standard MoM tree with Assasin + Inquisitor/Slayer (I dont consider Champion because for me is easy to dash and proc Fortify manually in all situations, Im used to playing CoC with Cyclone)

2) A non-MoM Assasin+Slayer tree with Vaal Pact and Atziri gloves, running auras ofc (HoI+Haste). For example:

https://pastebin.com/B7TMg9SZ

3) A pure dmg Assasin+Inquisitor Acrobatic character with tons of dodge and evasion gear, in this case I think it's not worth it pick Slayer or Champion, maybe Raider. In this case to run HoI+Grace. For example:

https://pastebin.com/XbwKK7xz

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4) The newly updated version with probably 30 ex worth of gears. The damage is lower but you can have a huge eHP pool and high sustainability with life/mana. (and someone actually made one in betrayal, the wealth xD)

However, the second one (non-MoM Ass/Slayer) has some problems.
You already have Vaal Pact from Atziri's Acuity, no point to get it from the tree again. (I've changed a lot in the tree).
The life is still quite low for a non-MoM character, I rearranged the passives and you can now get 7K life at the same level, and little bit more damage.
Here's the poB link of this: https://pastebin.com/LR5USbtX

The third pure dmg version is not bad, but I don't see the point of using Queen of the Forest. You already have tons of evasion due to the Blind effect, there's no need to enhance the evasion further more.
If you're going damage, I'd say Farrul's fur + Aspect of the Cat is a great combination for perma frenzy charges (especially against bosses).
Check for yourself : https://pastebin.com/Vp4cquLE

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xaiyx wrote:

I only take blade flurry for elder / shaper so I can see what the boss is doing with all these effects and cycloning in the middle of action is 100% death., normally I have cyclone for mapping it feels alot smoother then with blade flurry.

So I should change from champion to slayer?
So i will get both gloves 😂😂

Jeah I tried to link my vortex with arcane surge but getting 3blue colors on my gear is pretty hard and I didn't found someone with 3b colors craft. Wasted alot of Currency. To try it

Oh and BTW atleast I can drop the +30dex note in the tree, you have enough dex with starkonias and pandemonium to wear cospiris. 1 more passive point for something else

Slayer+Acuity is a very good option, you should try it if you have the currencies, and if you're not using Mind of the Coucil and Yoke as well, you can go non-MoM version instead (check my previous reply)

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Isaac1337 wrote:

Hello everyone,

so I decided to give this build a try since my starter cleared pretty much everything in the game and I had like 30ex+.

So far this build is really fun to play and I can recommend everyone with some currency (or the dedication to farm some) to try out this build.

I have to say it can feel a bit rippy if you start out with lvl 65-70 in maps.
Just level up, improve your gear and level your gems.
Once you hit a higher level it will feel much better in terms of survivability.
Also take inc crit strikes dmg (crit multi) to improve your damage early on and take more life nodes on the tree till later levels.

I went with Assa/Inquisitor and made some changes to the Skilltree.
I did not take the Cold Damage Cluster (Breath of Rime). I focussed more on life and attack speed since I don't like the degen from Blood Rage and in fights like Uber Elder or general mapping you won't always have a totem in range. I plan to pick up Berserking.

For mapping I go with Cyclone. It just feels a bit better then BF.
But I would recommend BF if you go for Uber Elder, cause it is much easier to controll and dodge with BF.

So far i killed a pretty nasty Phoenix and died once to his explosion.(could have dodged it, but seen it to late)
And i killed red Elder and his Guardians t11-15. Elder was t12.
I did those without conc effect and went with inc AoE.(damage is enough and Elder Portals with smoother with inc AoE, deathless Elder).

Here is my gear and my PoB. I'm triple balanced and would switch Atziri's Step for Kaoms Roots at Uber Elder. Also I'm planning to grab the Alchemist Node.

PoB: https://pastebin.com/C1Ggz4PQ

Thank you for your feedback!

I've looked at your PoB and found 2 very small problems:
1. you can drop the 30 dex node "Alacrity" since you have more than enough dexteiry.
2. Atziri's step is really not that necessary, the evasion rate it provides has very limited effect since you already have perma blind on the enemy (which means 50% chance to evade already). I recommend you get a better rare one instead.

Alright, so I'm planning on going Assassin/Slayer for the build and was wondering on a few things.


I just got my loreweave (bad rolls besides 80% resist so will prob need to work on divining it later again).

I plan to get Cospri's/Lyco and Pandemonius next and that'll be most of my currency spent. What would you suggest working towards after that then?

Also is slayer a good choice if I won't be able to afford atziri's acuity gloves for quite a while... Since 7+ ex and currently will have none left.

I plan to level to 38 using the frost blades set up then switching over, any other tips early on.


Also how important is having quality gems at the start?

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webas wrote:

Would running hatred just for watchers damage penetrates cold worth as a second aura? First is haste (kaom roots, slow movement, cant be changed)

But as second aura or something, is wrath would be worth it? PLanning to remove warlords mark and get it as a curse on hit on ring. It procs from spells too right?

Hatred just for watchers penetration is not that good, so not worth it0

Wrath has no effect in this build.

Yes, the warlord's mark on hit applies to spell too.

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webas wrote:

What about removing conc. effect gem and taking cold pen gem instead? Whats the damage difference in your opinion?

Also 3points removed blast radius -> throatseeker

Thanks

The damage difference is huge.
Conc. Effect can provide roughly 50% more damage, while cold pen. can only have roughly 27%-30% more damage.

Throatseeker is good.

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frost21 wrote:

Haven't been able to try out the build when I planend to due to being sick.

I'm looking for most of the gear pieces today, any suggestions in importance of what to get first and such? (Have about 8ex to start off with).



Also is the general consensus that Assassin+Slayer with no MoM and using Vaal pact feels generally the best?

Only when you're at a high level and have a large HP pool, otherwise you could get one shot oftenly.

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xaiyx wrote:

i switchd from champion to slayer with mom and acuity it feels pretty good , better then with champion.
lvl 91 4,7k life and 2.15k mana

first item i think you should get is cospiris and lycosidae

Yeah definitely, these are the core items to make it work.

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diabloyd wrote:

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frost21 wrote:

Haven't been able to try out the build when I planend to due to being sick.

I'm looking for most of the gear pieces today, any suggestions in importance of what to get first and such? (Have about 8ex to start off with).



Also is the general consensus that Assassin+Slayer with no MoM and using Vaal pact feels generally the best?

Only when you're at a high level and have a large HP pool, otherwise you could get one shot oftenly.

So which ascendencies do you suggest I go if I'll only be able to afford the big ticket items initially (Cospri's/Lyco/Pandemonius/Loreweaves..not 6linked yet tho).


Is Assassin and Slayer still a good combination for the leech? Or is Sin+Champion or Juggernaut better?


I want to be able to do red maps easily and effectively primarily and possibly guardians. Not worried about goin for Uber Elder or anything with this build (unless I got a ton of currency to sink into it suddenly).