[3.13] TOXIC RAIN + HERALD OF AGONY Pathfinder Build (6-8K life) (UBER ELDER done!) +VIDEO GUIDE!

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

I think that Quill Rain in general is better than any +3 bows unlesss these bows also have HIGH PHYS damage.
7L Link will probably be as good as just Lioneye's Glare, but i need to check. +3 7L will maybe be as good as Quill Rain, but will not have the phys leech that Lioneye's Glare gives. So you will probably have good damage, but mana problems and as a result = low life pool because you need Thief's Torment .

But for Uber Elder it is still god damn hard to stop and concentrate fire. Most of the time you can shoot 1, 2 maybe 3-4 times before you have to relocate. And i did like 20 Uber Elder riuns already.

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Bizze79 wrote:

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

I think that Quill Rain in general is better than any +3 bows unlesss these bows also have HIGH PHYS damage.
7L Link will probably be as good as just Lioneye's Glare, but i need to check. +3 7L will maybe be as good as Quill Rain, but will not have the phys leech that Lioneye's Glare gives. So you will probably have good damage, but mana problems and as a result = low life pool because you need Thief's Torment .

But for Uber Elder it is still god damn hard to stop and concentrate fire. Most of the time you can shoot 1, 2 maybe 3-4 times before you have to relocate. And i did like 20 Uber Elder riuns already.

I've watched your videos so I respect the amount of testing and theorycrafting you have done. Watching your TR vs. CA pod conclusion video was the reason I got a 6L Quill Rain. =)

Soo... there really is no place for +3 VP bows in a build by comparison - except for CA (which is a sub-par skill compared to TR vs. bosses anyways?)

The reason I ask is because I've spent lots of currency and time crafting a +3 bow, which is my first real craft in PoE ever - but now I'm starting to fear the Quill Rain is superior and all that time and effort was in vain. I've been trying to use both and weapon-switching but vs. hard bosses it's not smooth at all since you want to stack those pods + the hinder effect of TR and not worry about weapon switching.

I'm not worried about the life pool as my build is a CI Occultist - and so far I'm ok with the mana leech I got from the tree as long as I keep hitting enemies.

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babsbegood wrote:

Shaper done, damage was higher than i expected, died twice on phase 3 because i got nervous and my hands were sweating hahahah



What do you think that i should upgrade next in order to try uber elder?

My gear:

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Thanks again for the guide, im loving that build :D

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

I checked your character in PoB and it is FAR from what we are discussing here.
First of all you have 0 poison and no phys damage, even with +3 bow, so you literally do no attack damage and explosions do nothing as well. You need to drop Added Chaos completely. YOu can only stack dot with occultist, as you do with CA.
For TR you need to use Efficacy/Inc.Duration or Conc. Effect and level 3-4 Empower in a 7L bow.
Based on numbers i see 7L Bow will give you 46k Dot, at 2.5 APS, while Quill Rain gives 20-25k at 4.5 aps. So it's pretty much THE SAME damage, with 7L bow slightly going ahead

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Bizze79 wrote:

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

I checked your character in PoB and it is FAR from what we are discussing here.
First of all you have 0 poison and no phys damage, even with +3 bow, so you literally do no attack damage and explosions do nothing as well. You need to drop Added Chaos completely. YOu can only stack dot with occultist, as you do with CA.
For TR you need to use Efficacy/Inc.Duration or Conc. Effect and level 3-4 Empower in a 7L bow.
Based on numbers i see 7L Bow will give you 46k Dot, at 2.5 APS, while Quill Rain gives 20-25k at 4.5 aps. So it's pretty much THE SAME damage, with 7L bow slightly going ahead

Yeah, I know it's not the same build - I was merely turning to you as a trusted source for theorycrafting as it seems TR can be used in many different ways, stacking the attack dmg (with Added Chaos - giving me better mana leech since I have % of dmg leeched) or you could go poison and try to stack it that way - or simply only stack the degen dmg. It is still similar to CA in a way in the latter sense and I was just trying to find out if I could utilize the +3 VP bow in any way with TR - or if I should just stick with CA for that and use TR in the Quill Rain. I saw the nugiyen video about how to craft a +3 VP bow and it seemed to me as it was a craft for TR specifically, hence my question to you about this.

I thank you for trying to give me tips anyways and I will make some changes as I progress beyond Red Elder and Shaper Guardians.

Thank you! =)

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setubal wrote:

i can't see your three for skils :(


your link is https://pastebin.com/kzS87Qmm ..... but i c'ant see , in just words in this link.... tell me what i can do to see ....please ....and sorry for my bad English :)