[3.13] TOXIC RAIN + HERALD OF AGONY Pathfinder Build (6-8K life) (UBER ELDER done!) +VIDEO GUIDE!

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Icemasta wrote:

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Quickfade wrote:

Also do you reckon the 80% loss in chaos damage from cherrubim's would be massive? Not sure if the extra life from kaom's outweighs the damage loss.

It's not that bad, because we're already scaling it so hard. You lose about 6k damage per pod per second. So 25x6000 ~150k dps, not a huge loss for hte huge gain in survival.

That makes sense. I think I'll do that and change to Kaom's. Survivability is key even in standard. The amount of exp you lose when you're 90+ is so painful :I

Guys, need some pointer here. I was doing fine up until lv 92 and reach delve monster lv 79, and i keep dying to the part where the crawler ended and mobs starts coming in. I'm lost to which modification should i make, with my limited currency, i'm not sure where to go first. Btw, from my POB the DOT damage is nowhere near as the POB from the first page. :\

My goal is to delve safer and take on uber elder as well when times come!



and since i'm thinking to maintain the setup of thief's torment/Quill rain, would it be good to drop phys atk nodes and focus on elsewhere?

Thanks!

Ok guys, the start post has been updated as well as the PoB:
https://pastebin.com/bxKcCFtp
I also have a feeling that getting Skill Effect duration is worth it much more than going to Deadly Draw, but i need tto do further tests

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

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xMustard wrote:

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miasma23 wrote:

Scaling Dot and using two Praxis rings and 58 mana regen per sec. I can spam TR with ease. Red Elder fight was deathless, however, i did not manage to save Shaper. must get more DPS.

same issue with my build, which is focusing purely on the pod DoT. the damage just isn't there to save shaper. kind of a shame DoTs will always suffer from this downside

And this is EXACTLY what i stated in my original post and when i compared CA to Toxic Rain as well. DoTs work really well for trash mobs, because there is enough damage. But DoT in TR is still super weak compared to CA f=or example. When you go to high tiers, red maps, and more specifically shaper and uber elder: this where DoT is lacking on TR and along with high mana costs on Quill Rain it becomes lackluster. At this point you need to start stacking poison and explosions as well as smoother mana management.

I wish people would just stick to your guide then they would have no problems at all, like me. With the setup i'm currently running, red maps feel like tier 1 maps... T16 maps feel like t5 maps.. Everything melts.. including bosses.. I was able to kill all 4 guardians deathless, all 1st attempts in my life. I was able to kill Shaper (died 3 times), also first attempt in my life.

I'm currently at Uber Elder (tried twice) got him and shaper down to 25%. The DPS isnt the hard part, i just need to dodge shaper + elder abilities better. The fight isn't even that hard, it's just my first attempt, and I don't know if anyone has ever killed uber elder on their first try. I'm still happy about killing Shaper on first try tho, the damage was just insane. You can see my links on my profile, it is public to see.

I'm 100% certain that my poison damage is doing so much work on the bosses (84% chance to poison) and virulence is always at 30-40 for boss fights (and they stack quite FAST due to Quill Rain). I can't see any other bow working for this build, Quill rain is absolutely the BiS for this build.

Going to attempt uber elder again tonight, pretty sure it's in the bag.

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aykay317 wrote:

I wish people would just stick to your guide then they would have no problems at all, like me. With the setup i'm currently running, red maps feel like tier 1 maps... T16 maps feel like t5 maps.. Everything melts.. including bosses.. I was able to kill all 4 guardians deathless, all 1st attempts in my life. I was able to kill Shaper (died 3 times), also first attempt in my life.

I'm currently at Uber Elder (tried twice) got him and shaper down to 25%. The DPS isnt the hard part, i just need to dodge shaper + elder abilities better. The fight isn't even that hard, it's just my first attempt, and I don't know if anyone has ever killed uber elder on their first try. I'm still happy about killing Shaper on first try tho, the damage was just insane. You can see my links on my profile, it is public to see.

I'm 100% certain that my poison damage is doing so much work on the bosses (84% chance to poison) and virulence is always at 30-40 for boss fights (and they stack quite FAST due to Quill Rain). I can't see any other bow working for this build, Quill rain is absolutely the BiS for this build.

Going to attempt uber elder again tonight, pretty sure it's in the bag.

GL with Uber Elder! Just make sure you don't waste your time on Shaper once he's in purple bubble as he takes no damage while he's in. I've wasted quite some time for this in my first fight :)

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

Ok guys, the start post has been updated as well as the PoB:
https://pastebin.com/bxKcCFtp
I also have a feeling that getting Skill Effect duration is worth it much more than going to Deadly Draw, but i need tto do further tests

Sweet! Thanks for that! I'm going to run a 4-link herald setup in my helm.

What other 2 gems would you recommend aside from Herald - Added chaos ?

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

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peetrscz wrote:

I also wonder why you guys are going for that insane HP pools? Why? I'm running round 5.4k life and it's more than enough (1 Bubbling life flask is all you need).

Out of curiosity what kind of content have you attempted so far? Uber Atziri? Delve deeps?
Life is always good. The more = the better. Multiple situations I've been at 2% of life and only stayed alive because i have 6.5k now.

Well alright, I have bit higher buffer than I originally stated, forgot to add the 400 ES I have. The thing is, I'm playing in fire'n'forgot style, almost like totem builds. So I do get hit rather rarely.

I'm currently at level 94 and working my way to shaper (I have nearly all maps open, trying to get some T16 drops). I don't think he will pose any problem at all, his only dangerous attack (that is at times kinda hard to avoid is his white orb spam), everything else is easy to avoid. Especially with this character, when I'm not doing damage, crawler is. So basically only thing I have to worry about is applying some poison every few seconds to keep my virulence up and that's easy on boss fights with 6 pods (I have the enchantment, not willing to sacrifice flask slot for Dying sun).

I already done T13 elder and his only dangerous attack is his slam, he doesn't have anything else that can touch me (unless I'm stupid and walk into it). I'm also not sure what killed him in his 2nd phase, because it was over before I realized that I should start shooting him (I think you can stack poisons on him even while Shaper is doing his thing, it just wont do damage until Shaper is done with seals or it was max virulence crawler).

I'm not sure how deep I'm into the mine, but iirc it's depth 270 (monster level is 82). Again all fights I done in mine are easy, since everything dies before it reaches me and if it reaches me, it has to go through 60%+ evasion and my dodge (52/42 iirc). I also often farm the darkness and it's the same, with all the CC I can dish out and perma phasing I can just run in grab loot, run out.

Only guardian I'm not sure how I'll be doing is Minotaur, other 3 are so easy to avoid that they pose no problem at all (especially Hydra).

Uber Atziri is fight I don't care about, she doesn't drop anything worth it, but seeing how cheap are the tokens in this league, I'm might as well give her a shot. But this is not a fight I'll be attempting with 5 links,for these fights I want strong poisons, so at least TR should be in 6L.

Btw. I'm not trying to say I don't die, but if I do, it's not because build can't handle the content, but because my player mistake.

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Icemasta wrote:

Quill Rain's effective DPS 5.28 x 5 pods x (30k dots + 42k poison) = 1,9m

LG's effective DPS 3.06 x 5 pods x (30k dots + 72k poison) = 1,56m

And because your DPS relies heavily on pod explosions, your clear speed goes down, because under quill rain, a lot of the clear comes from the initial dot. With Dying sun, the different is even bigger.

Is this with Far shot counted in? Doesn't look like it. Add Far shot and you're at same numbers for both... In that case, LG is winner due to much better utility than QR.

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Quickfade wrote:

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

Ok guys, the start post has been updated as well as the PoB:
https://pastebin.com/bxKcCFtp
I also have a feeling that getting Skill Effect duration is worth it much more than going to Deadly Draw, but i need tto do further tests

Sweet! Thanks for that! I'm going to run a 4-link herald setup in my helm.

What other 2 gems would you recommend aside from Herald - Added chaos ?

Maim and Pierce seems great, as well a Withering Touch!

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

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Quickfade wrote:

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

Ok guys, the start post has been updated as well as the PoB:
https://pastebin.com/bxKcCFtp
I also have a feeling that getting Skill Effect duration is worth it much more than going to Deadly Draw, but i need tto do further tests

Sweet! Thanks for that! I'm going to run a 4-link herald setup in my helm.

What other 2 gems would you recommend aside from Herald - Added chaos ?

Maim and Pierce seems great, as well a Withering Touch!

Too easy! I'll get a helm with minion damage as well as you mentioned. Concentrated effect doesn't help herald much right? Not worth spending on both minion dmg + Conc effect helm.