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Well it does seem that PoB calculating poison duration numbers wrong isn't an issue.
With 90% less poison duration at 1.28 seconds, it's still 420K DPS which is already more than enough to clear T16 mobs in a second.
5 seconds of poison duration is already 1.5M DPS at 73 stacks. So if you attack for 5 seconds, you can just run around for 10 seconds while doing the same DPS as most of the top builds.
If you attack for 8.9 seconds aka the duration of our Vaal Haste, you'll be doing 2.9M DPS vs Shaper for the next 5 seconds while just running, not counting in Heralds or 20% Shock.
To give perspective, Shaper has a total of 18 328 731 HP.
Also a cool thing about new Viper Strike clear speed is that with Pathfinder 50% increased chaos area of effect, it essentially gives you a level 21 Increased Area of Effect Support gem for free if you're using Melee Splash! Melee Splash makes the melee skill have same AOE as Stage 1 Blade Flurry.
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Posted byKiss_Me_Quick#4554on Aug 31, 2018, 8:35:35 AM
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Sorry if this was asked already, but why are added chaos dmg and viper strike so good at lvl 21? wiki shows only a small dmg increase.
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Posted bydanielhn147#7017on Aug 31, 2018, 8:59:33 AM
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danielhn147 wrote:
Sorry if this was asked already, but why are added chaos dmg and viper strike so good at lvl 21? wiki shows only a small dmg increase.
Viper Strike gives +1 range and damage
Added Chaos damage gives bigger damage increase out of these gems and actually Vile Toxins is also important for 5% more damage.
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Posted byKiss_Me_Quick#4554on Aug 31, 2018, 9:07:59 AM
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danielhn147 wrote:
Sorry if this was asked already, but why are added chaos dmg and viper strike so good at lvl 21? wiki shows only a small dmg increase.
I know that for Viper Strike it comes directly from patch notes: "The following melee skills now gain additional melee weapon range every 7 levels, up to +2 at level 20 (and +3 at level 21): Dual Strike, Elemental Hit, Frenzy, Glacial Hammer, Heavy Strike, Molten Strike, Puncture, Riposte, Static Strike, Viper Strike, Wild Strike, Vigilant Strike, Ancestral Protector, Dominating Blow."
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Posted bycoffeecrank#5433on Aug 31, 2018, 9:08:16 AM
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I'm a bit worried about the Heralds. Herald of Purity is 47% Mana and Herald of Agony is 64%, how can you run both? If you have Vile Toxins its even more.
The reason why Herald of Agony and Herald of Purity Minions are both worthless is because you cannot really support them, without having to deal with insane reservation costs. You might be able to run only a 5l Herald of Agony and thats basically it.
Also Vile Toxins is not really good on the Herald. It deals 1600 - 3200 base physical damage, and if it doesnt have insane damage effectiveness adding some low values to that is meaningless. And using GMP on it is basically a nogo, because you have to reserve 65% more mana for it, so it can't be relied on for clear, its more of a boss killer propably. Because bosses also make it easier to keep the 40 Agony Stacks.
Also the poison spreading is said to be weak (only spreading the strongest poison) and it also hurts the crawler, because if enemies die by a) The crawler, b) spread poison or c) the protector or d) the Purity Sentinels you wont get Agony Stacks. So the crawler is likely not even reliably on high stacks while clearing.
Also if the Crawler is good against bosses, switching for Scourge is propably better. Trashmobs will never get 5 Poison Stacks, so you dont get the extra chaos damage so scourge clears better. It also gives so damage to your crawler, although this is propably not too much.
Also the Crawler needs good low-mana supports. Empower might be a good one, considering its only 25% more mana. Vicious Attacks is 20% more, so also a good option. Minion Damage is 30% more but gives a good buff. With those 3 the Herald of Agony would cost almost 50% Mana, which is much better than the 64% from before and it deals more damage against bosses.
Overall the crawler has 2400 average base damage, 120% increased AS and about 800% increased damage. Empower will make the first number bigger, but no idea by how much. Assuming 1 Attack per second the crawler on itself has 47500 dps. If we assume Empower is about 30% more damage (which it usually is with other skills), the supported crawler has a bit above 120k dps. So if he just stands there attacking a target he does some decent damage, but if you have a build dealing 5m dps he is not too good. Of course he gets some benefit from curses and wither, but he is propably better suited for something like a CA build who really benefits from any additional single target damage they can get, while also not having many useful ways to reserve mana. For Viper Strike I would rather go for Arctic Armor and use an unsupported Herald of Agony and Purity.
Hmm, im wondering about this too
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Posted byFujira#6139on Aug 31, 2018, 9:09:58 AM
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Ziggy did mention in his video that HoA scales off poison stacks and might not even need extra support gems, i.e. it's good on its own. But even if one uses support gems (which will be a lot of mana reservation), HoP really doesn't need support it seems. Not sure how good these purity minions are, but I think for this build they're not as important as the agony crawler, so HoP is there for the buff mostly.
Eh, can't wait to test all of this out.
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Posted bycoffeecrank#5433on Aug 31, 2018, 9:19:25 AM
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coffeecrank wrote:
Ziggy did mention in his video that HoA scales off poison stacks and might not even need extra support gems, i.e. it's good on its own. But even if one uses support gems (which will be a lot of mana reservation), HoP really doesn't need support it seems. Not sure how good these purity minions are, but I think for this build they're not as important as the agony crawler, so HoP is there for the buff mostly.
Eh, can't wait to test all of this out.
Currently HoP are there for Wither + Poison stacks with Protector. I assume that 4 boys and a stick can slam enough stacks there.
Yeap, it's mostly just waiting now.
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Posted byKiss_Me_Quick#4554on Aug 31, 2018, 9:25:06 AM
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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:
it's mostly just waiting now.
can we get a lvl 30 tree pls? Im at work, cant check pob
Cheers
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Posted bysangvinu2#5413on Aug 31, 2018, 9:28:04 AM
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sangvinu2 wrote:
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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:
it's mostly just waiting now.
can we get a lvl 30 tree pls? Im at work, cant check pob
Cheers
Official website skill tree is still on 3.3.
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Posted byKiss_Me_Quick#4554on Aug 31, 2018, 9:28:48 AM
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what bandits?
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Posted by302mustang#4593on Aug 31, 2018, 9:31:49 AM
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