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Nevzat wrote:

Good riddance this build is nerfed, let's be honest guys it was far too OP and we all loved playing it because it was one of the most broken builds in the game. We saw it coming.. so don't act shocked guys.

Let's all just be grateful we had a good long run without them noticing how powerful and broken this build was :). I am going to miss steamrolling all content afk but not all good things can last forever.

I can finally play another build, so yay for that! All I can suggest is not embarrassing yourself guys and girls and try arguing to revert the nerfs as it only highlights a total lack of understanding of the vast majority of any other builds that are inferior in comparison...

They know it's overpowered, so we have to accept a loss here.

I cringed at Kay's post on reddit. It was not wise.

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Mivvi wrote:

I don't post too often, but I have to agree with people posting on multiple threads here and on Reddit on the level nerf to RS. A few key points:

- "Raise Zombies and SRS didn't get nerfed." - Very true, but zombies have been around for many years now and longstanding supporters of PoE will have playing a zombie build at some stage. RS provides an avenue of diversity with new and interesting builds with new monsters added each league. I'd prefer not to play another zombie build or another SRS build. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Should any players decide to continue with their RS build, this nerf would actually *decrease* the level of diversity because now everybody will look to utilise the monster for RS with the best chance of surviving the content - I believe this flies in the face of the ambition of the RS gem (may as well just make it Raise Slave Driver, for example).

- "Spectres are overpowered" - Very true: they can be. But the significant majority of the player base does not have access to the end-game gear that lets spectres melt content - these players will be significantly disheartened, which is a real shame because I've also seen many players more hyped for this league than (literally) any other. To solve for overpowered spectres, nerf the monsters themselves. I applaud the nerf to Syndicate Operatives. They were fun whilst they lasted, but they did deserve the nerf hammer. Spectres (in general) did not.

- "I like the spectre playstyle" - Very true. I am of the same mind - Path of Exile for me is an escape after work (a much needed one considering the pandemic) where I can sit back and watch my minions kill stuff on screen and get my loot. Unless the nerf is reconsidered zombies are one of the only alternative solutions (and see my first point on zombies...).

- "Spectres are very difficult to summon." Very true. With power creep, damage can get very spiky and even in Heist my lvl 25+ spectres would die occasionally. It's a real break from the pace of the game to have to exit the map, remove Spell Echo (probably), weapon swap to desecrate and re-summon spectres. If the result of the nerf is that spectres will now die more often, a change to the way spectres can be summoned (perhaps an auto-re-summon in the same way as golems?) would help swallow the bitter nerf pill. With the nerf, spectres are going to die much more often and I personally don't want to spend more time in my hideout summoning spectres than in a map killing monsters - again, I believe this flies in the face of the ambition to make a game that players come back to night after night.

- "They nerfed other aspects of Necromancer" - Very true. I do think that the nerf to cluster jewels combined with the nerfs to ascendancy passives would have been a viable test to gauge the relative effectiveness of spectre builds. If too many changes happen at the same time, the mark can be missed. I believe GGG works in an agile way, which would denote many small changes over an extended period of time to achieve the desired outcome. I think everything combined will have missed the mark by a long-shot, and I don't think many people will be playing raise spectre as a result so any insight on potential future changes for future leagues will be based off a relatively limited dataset.

I'm sure there are other key points with this, but these are just my thoughts. Please reconsider this change. Without meaning to cause offense, the design team are often not correct on all intricate aspects of the game - we can see this from significant changes to league design (e.g. Heist) and player builds (e.g. aura stackers) that are in need of changing after release and after player feedback.

Apologies for the wall of text. TL;DR - reducing the gem level of RS was a lazy fix for a very small problem. There were other, more effective, ways to achieve the desired outcome and they've been suggested.

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Vaildez wrote:

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Nevzat wrote:

Good riddance this build is nerfed, let's be honest guys it was far too OP and we all loved playing it because it was one of the most broken builds in the game. We saw it coming.. so don't act shocked guys.

Let's all just be grateful we had a good long run without them noticing how powerful and broken this build was :). I am going to miss steamrolling all content afk but not all good things can last forever.

I can finally play another build, so yay for that! All I can suggest is not embarrassing yourself guys and girls and try arguing to revert the nerfs as it only highlights a total lack of understanding of the vast majority of any other builds that are inferior in comparison...

They know it's overpowered, so we have to accept a loss here.

I cringed at Kay's post on reddit. It was not wise.

You realize we can see your characters and your posts? To me it doesn't look like you played this build.... Go away troll.

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Nevzat wrote:

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Vaildez wrote:

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Nevzat wrote:

Good riddance this build is nerfed, let's be honest guys it was far too OP and we all loved playing it because it was one of the most broken builds in the game. We saw it coming.. so don't act shocked guys.

Let's all just be grateful we had a good long run without them noticing how powerful and broken this build was :). I am going to miss steamrolling all content afk but not all good things can last forever.

I can finally play another build, so yay for that! All I can suggest is not embarrassing yourself guys and girls and try arguing to revert the nerfs as it only highlights a total lack of understanding of the vast majority of any other builds that are inferior in comparison...

They know it's overpowered, so we have to accept a loss here.

I cringed at Kay's post on reddit. It was not wise.

You realize we can see your characters and your posts? To me it doesn't look like you played this build.... Go away troll.

I am a troll because I agree with GGG's decision to nerf an overpowered broken build? OK.

If i'm trolling, then that means so is GGG.

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Vaildez wrote:

You realize we can see your characters and your posts? To me it doesn't look like you played this build.... Go away troll

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Nevzat wrote:

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Vaildez wrote:

You realize we can see your characters and your posts? To me it doesn't look like you played this build.... Go away troll

I delete all my characters after a league ends. I've been playing since Beta, you can see by my icons so don't embarrass yourself any more please.

Anyway back to the topic at hand, yes these nerfs were deserved, and we cannot complain about that.

Have a nice day everyone :) 3.13 HYPE!!!!

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Nevzat wrote:

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Vaildez wrote:

You realize we can see your characters and your posts? To me it doesn't look like you played this build.... Go away troll

I delete all my characters after a league ends. I've been playing since Beta, you can see by my icons so don't embarrass yourself any more please.

Anyway back to the topic at hand, yes these nerfs were deserved, and we cannot complain about that.

Have a nice day everyone :) 3.13 HYPE!!!!

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Not sure who you think you are to tell us we arent allowed to be upset over nerfs to our desired play style. Nerfs to SO spectres are deserved, yes, but a nerf to ALL spectres however is not. On top of that, they nerfed the ascendancy and cluster jewel support for them. It all adds up and the effect is pretty harsh. Your comment "Good riddance" does indeed relate to you trolling as anyone who played and enjoyed the build/play style wouldnt say such a thing. Not sure how or why you are under the impression you think its ok to come here and proceed to tell us to shut up and take it basically.