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Quick question, is SRS really better than Skeletons when you get it? I tried both and Skeletons seems smoother.
- talking about leveling

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Jinks wrote:

Quick question, is SRS really better than Skeletons when you get it? I tried both and Skeletons seems smoother.
- talking about leveling

Personal preference.

You can use both, if you like. For Vaal Oversoul i recommend it. You prespawn them, then use Holy Flame Totem and Skeleton's once he has spawned, then recast SRSs. Then cycle.

I prefer Skeletons because they reach the dps ceiling quicker and that makes more sense to me for leveling (mostly drive by exp).

Personally, I don't use zombies in early game at all. They just die all the time, and respawning is a time sink.

I intend to take the following at League Start:
BR(B) : Holy Flame Totem + Summon Phantasm Support + (Infused Channeling)
BB(R?): SRS/Summon Skeletons + Minion Damage + Melee Physical Damage + (Melee Splash/Deathmark/Infernal Legion)
B(B?): SRS + Minion Damage + (Melee Splash/?)
BB: Skitterbots + Infernal Legion
B: Frostblink + (Arcane Surge)

On more thing:
Personally I don't like Minion Instability. I get Enduring Bond at Level 9.

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pmpch wrote:

Personal preference.

I prefer Skeletons because they reach the dps ceiling quicker and that makes more sense to me for leveling (mostly drive by exp).

Personally, I don't use zombies in early game at all. They just die all the time, and respawning is a time sink.

Yeah, I like skeletons more because they don't lock me down into casting like SRS.
Zombies seem resilient enough when around HFT and after I get Vitality.

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Jinks wrote:

Yeah, I like skeletons more because they don't lock me down into casting like SRS.
Zombies seem resilient enough when around HFT and after I get Vitality.

I changed to SRS for the new guide because I really struggled in gauntlet with skeletons. The big reason is can't offscreen bosses with skele because the maximum cast distance is less than edge of screen. Then they move so slowly and die before do any damage. Or have to walk over a rock/hill. SRS can just fly over it and has good movement speed.

Also when you get skitterbots they will run off when monsters are close but still off screen. You can then cast SRS at the edge of the screen and they will fly off and clear for you. This helps a lot in Lunaris temple level 2 if you play HC.

Also you need to carefully cast skele on top of boss or on monsters packs while running but you can just cast SRS anywhere and they will fly towards monsters by themself :)

Vitality in its buffed version is key for early zombies.
For ME srs > skeletons tho. srs flying over stuff + faster movement and instant activation on cast are the reasons for me. DMG is fine on both.

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Vaildez wrote:

I am nervous that they have not shown the Necro ascendency changes yet...

Me too! But we should be OK. GGG has nerfed necro every league since 3.8 but we can still find a way to be strong :)

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xoxPerkxox wrote:

OO *this is my nervous attentive look! :P And thanks for all your work Kay, much appreciated!

Ps I'm noobish, how long before league start will they give us the actual patch notes?

It's always 3 days.

For me:
patch notes = Wednesday.
league start = Saturday 6am.

Short time to make build guide :)

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erigol07 wrote:

this program initially contains your leveling guide, but it is somewhat outdated and not always informative enough

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melink14 wrote:

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erigol07 wrote:

this program initially contains your leveling guide, but it is somewhat outdated and not always informative enough

If you update it and make it more thorough you should submit it to github since I'm sure other people will benefit from it!

That's good idea!

@erigol07 Is it difficult to add the new levelling guide?

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xJhaden wrote:

I'm only 91 so I didn't expect to be higher, but the dps is so low that its hard to survive in bosses such as shaper, guardians, sirus.

The biggest problem with SO is the melee range. If they are too close to the boss they will use default auto attack. All support gems are projectile so they do 0 DPS.

You really notice it in endgame bosses because they have a lot of HP. Need to move SO with convocation. not too close (melee), but also not too far (no shotgun)

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pmpch wrote:

On another note. In the videos there were Primal Crushclaw corpses in the Tunnels. Are those different weaker versions of the Crabbie (so not the ones we want). Not sure how that works. What about the Harvest one (which should be available again this League)?

In 3.12 there is only one crabbie, but GGG can change it in 3.13.

For example, there is Enhanced Vaal Fallen for temple, EVF for delve and EVF for spectre. The stats are slightly different.

Also, Frost Auto-Scout has different spell stats for monsters and spectre.