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mojito000 wrote:

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mtwilliams717 wrote:

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mojito000 wrote:

I spent all my money to build the full spectre build...
I have the core items more or less. I usually die 1-2 times PER MAP. And Ive just lost to an elder guardian (used all portals)...

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I have AG with all the expensive gear (the mask and kingmaker)... I know im missing a lot of stuff like all the ghastly eye jewels and the shield gem setup... but I don't think any of those have to do with the fact that i get one hit by an Elder guardian.

how much HP do you have?

I know my setup is nowhere near OK but against a boss like the Lightning Elder Guardian guy. Which hits you like 2-3 times per sec and literally one shots you is not good. That said. My hp is 4500 ish. I know. I should take the life nodes first or something before damage but if we think about it. 4500 hp gets one shot. The guy elder guardian hits 4500 MINIMUM on me. Even if i had 9000 hp would result in death since as i said he hits 2-3 times per sec... And im guessing you would end up at 6500 hp at max anyways... The build lacks in damage mitigation and block isn't enough. Block cap with glancing bow means you take damage anyways and when you don't block which is inevitable because of the block mechanics you get oneshoted anyways. Only 4 hits later... Or i am missing something crucial defends layer?

Read my previous post, I shared some tips how to improve the defensive, my currently gear are expensive, but I did all the end game with a very cheap gear like you, rarely dying.

Try the suggestions that I shared here: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2181275/page/1394 (one page before this one)

I have a movie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkJYY9Dsa5A) when I was playing with the initial gear, similar to the gear that you are using, but totally defensive, with 5 Spectres and no Awakened gems, Glacing Blows + Mistress of Sacrifice and Bone Offering works very well, no overshok jewels and only one Crit Cluster, the shield with Life on block can be easily crafted on harvest spamming life in shields.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxSsjfRx3M0 Here you can see this setup defensive against Harvest t16 + Delirium and Lag, my biggest issue was really the lag, not the monsters dps, I was with 4.8k Life, and de blocks

Another point, Potions are VERY USEFUL to survivability as well.

I hope it helps, cya.

Not a day goes by without someone asking how to make this build more tanky or help them from dying so much. Once I leveled to 94, I was also dying enough to not be able to level further without playing extremely careful and not having fun.

The answer to your problem is Enduring Cry. It is broken and will be nerfed by GGG in 3.12. You should use it now if you want significant more survivability in any Necro or caster build.

I have now leveled from 94 to 96 (close to 97) with no deaths including a Sirus and multiple Elder/Shaper fights. I've tanked a Die beam from Sirus and can face tank Chimera in the dust clouds with no problems.

Started out using Enduring Cry on my Gloves linked to Dash, Second Wind, and Convocation. The Second Wind would allow back to back casts to build Endurance charges quickly. Dash in mobs, then Enduring Cry + Convocation. This works well.

I began with using 3 Endurance charges, then learning if 3 is good 5 is way better. Pathing down to Call to Arms and binding Enduring Cry to Left Mouse click makes it an even better experience, but almost boring.

Switch from "CWDT + Steelskin" to "CWDT + Immortal Call" for even more tankiness. It is significant with the 5 Endurance charges and has great synergy. The combo is truly broken. I can run through juiced T16 maps with Mouse only, no need to cast Flask or Skills in most cases unless super juiced and bad mods.

Running Bone Barrier and Life Recovery on Block shield for mapping, but if I plug in my numbers into POB with Flesh and all skill points I am still over 6 mil DPS with significant more tankiness (ie NOT glass cannon). I was able to retain DPS by using Ghastly Eye jewels in place of Small clusters without sacrificing much life. I still have 6500 HP, but had under 6000 when I first started using Enduring Cry. To be honest I can now remove HP to pick back up DPS without issue if I wanted.

The belt was a very recent addition and not required at all. The build changes and Enduring Cry works great or even better when linked to Second Wind. If you go with 5 Endurance charges then using the same cluster slots from Kay's guide is best. If you chose to go with only 3 or 4 Endurance charges then pathing down to the bottom cluster when picking up Call to Arms instead of the left cluster will save a couple of points overall.



Sorry for the long essay, but I want to give payback to Kay and all the help I received from this thread.

I have a 1 cluster setup with Overshock + Vengeful commander, got some currency to spend, should i get another Overshock + Vengeful commander set, or the higher budget version of Vicious Bite + Precise commander?

Any upgrading tips beside that would be welcome.

Hello, im having a bit of a problem with Sirus A8..

Everything is good until the 3rd phase and then i get destroyed!

Idk if something is changed with him or im just slow cz before i had little problems with him. I'm not using AG since its budget one still, my gear is not the best but still...

If anyone have some tips as what should i upgrade or whatever.

Seem to me as minions are not aggressive guess cz i don't have AG with Feeding frenzy...

Also is there any gear i should change for Vaal Fallen cz i failed him with them also?

Anyone have a pob i can see when we replace The Devouring Diadem to a 6l bone helment? wondering how our skills will change, also if anyone is running headhunter, or the torrent's reclaimation, can you link your pob as well? currently running the pure spectre build with one cluster set, but am wondering how i can take it a bit further

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Kwlau2432 wrote:

Anyone have a pob i can see when we replace The Devouring Diadem to a 6l bone helment? wondering how our skills will change, also if anyone is running headhunter, or the torrent's reclaimation, can you link your pob as well? currently running the pure spectre build with one cluster set, but am wondering how i can take it a bit further

the devouring diadiem allows you to run the auras easily with generosity, I mean you could always run a 6L bone helmet with Blood Magic, I guess, if you're running an Energy Shield version, and you won't have Eldritch Battery but... that's just making it more difficult without speccing EVERY reserve node on the tree, and having 1% corrupted gems, while making them useful, which would be very expensive. As well as the gear for a bone helm version is posted in the main page of the build.

Hey, great guide. Very in-depth. One thing you might add is play style and skill bar choices. might be dumb, but whatever. Thank you!

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256mosh wrote:

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Kwlau2432 wrote:

Anyone have a pob i can see when we replace The Devouring Diadem to a 6l bone helment? wondering how our skills will change, also if anyone is running headhunter, or the torrent's reclaimation, can you link your pob as well? currently running the pure spectre build with one cluster set, but am wondering how i can take it a bit further

the devouring diadiem allows you to run the auras easily with generosity, I mean you could always run a 6L bone helmet with Blood Magic, I guess, if you're running an Energy Shield version, and you won't have Eldritch Battery but... that's just making it more difficult without speccing EVERY reserve node on the tree, and having 1% corrupted gems, while making them useful, which would be very expensive. As well as the gear for a bone helm version is posted in the main page of the build.

You just drop Haste. You still have Vaal Haste for bosses. The Helmet gives you way more damage then keeping haste.
An other option if you dont go CI is to get Auls Uprising with "Haste reserves no mana"

Even with overshock, my damage is still low, would buying a 12ex or 40-50 ex minion helm be a good idea?
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Níghty wrote:

Even with overshock, my damage is still low, would buying a 12ex or 40-50 ex minion helm be a good idea?
https://pastebin.com/2u6t9Mds

I checked your POB:

1. you didnt have Vaal haste enabled, Kay does
2. You play with Hypotermia insteed of ele focus
3. If i Import your gear/tree into the tree of Kay and switch Ele focus for Hypo you are at ~3m which seems right for your gear.

Bone Helmet:
Imho its only worth if you have better dmg. The purpose of it is to clear faster with either fork or chain. Then switch gems for bosses.

You should upgrade your ring for a decent dmg upgrade. Also craft an offering Body before considering switching to a 6l Helmet.