I still see that everyone is trying to go for critical mods on their cluster jewels, but as I tried to point out before, there is better, stronger, and cheaper jewel configuration. And you gain 2 extra passive skill points!
Spoiler
For the Large Cluster Jewel, use the base "12% increased lightning damage", with 8 passives and 2 jewel sockets. For the mods, you want "Vengeful Commander", "Overshock", and ANY third notable, such as "Widespread Destruction", "Disorienting Display", or "Doryani's Lesson". Don't allocate the 3rd notable, it's useless, but we want it so that it puts that useless mod on the outside of the jewel, so we don't have to allocate it. That means we are just allocating 5 passives for the Large Cluster Jewel.
First of all, because of the crit nerf this league, Vengeful Commander gives more DPS than Vicious Bite. Second, we actually benefit from Overshock! The part that says "30% increase effect of shock" DOES apply to your Skitterbots! So the shock from skitterbots will cause enemies to take MORE damage. Normally a 20/20 skitterbot shock adds 15% x 1.24 = 18% more damage taken by enemies. With overshock, for a 20/20 skitterbot it's 15% x 1.54 = 23%. So if you want to compare it in Pob, change the shock effect to 23%.
And finally, since we are not allocating the 3rd modifier, we only use 5 passives for the large cluster jewel, so we gain 2 passives!
Oh and the fact that this jewel is MUCH CHEAPER!! So yeah, it's a better jewel setup all around.
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For Medium Cluster Jewels, it's the same thing. Increasing the aura effect is better than trying to increase critical. So instead of trying to get Precise Commander, instead go for either "First Among Equals" or "Replenishing Presence". Both give slightly more DPS than Precise Commander (less than 1%) but they are a LOT cheaper to get.
Nice idea!
I checked with my double cluster POB.
2x large lightning with Overshock, Vengeful + 4x medium with Vengeful, Replenish. And shock set to 28% (30% + 30% + 25%). = 8.0M
2x large with renewal, feasting, vicious + 4x medium with vengeful, precise. and shock set 18%. = 8.1M
Edit: *Ticked frenzy charges. Did not tick power charges (because can't get them against bosses).
Actually lighting cluster is better because renewal needs full life for DD bonus. Also RS has low APS, so most times you don't get bonus (10% of hit). And 4x replenish is 4% regen. very nice.
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Edit 2: I think easier to craft too.
Get i50-67 (limit possible mods).
Use metallic fossil to get overcharged.
Use harvest fire craft to get vengeful.
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Last edited by kayella#0845 on Jul 7, 2020, 12:36:29 AM
Just found Awakened Multistrike Support. Is it worth to change my Redemption Sentries to Knights or should I just sell it
What Mods on wand are necessary to get more dps from spectres? This one below is mine. THe best witll be +2 to socketed gems - minion/skill gem?
Some people prefer Knights. I think they are better for bossing, but mapping is more dynamic because it's like play melee. But you should test and see if you like them.
Best wand mod is damage you can get up to 89% increase but very hard to roll if you want gem level as well. +1/2 is useful if it gives you gem level 25 and extra spectre. Minion speed isn't so useful for spectres because of cap.
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Been having entirely too much fun with my own variant of spectres and spiders. Bought Arakaali's fang super early on and breezed through atlas progression with it. Just got a passable +1 int gems necklace that is allowing me to swap wand/helmet for Sirus killing and still keep 5 spectres.
Big thanks to Kay for bringing the interaction between arakaali's fang and speaker's wreath to my attention. Easily one of the most laid back mapping builds i've played even as someone who plays minions every league. On par with 3.8 skeletons.
Last edited by Kraineth#1788 on Jul 7, 2020, 1:33:34 AM
@kay wanna start crafting some clusters now, saw the recent post about changing the notables. tried checking in pob for the dps changes using ur 3.10 dual cluster here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKFX0Dpt0oE&feature=youtu.be&t=860 but whenever i check old cluster vs lightning variation I'm always lacking dps by a huge margin. can u link me ur pob changes or just go for the new clusters
I still see that everyone is trying to go for critical mods on their cluster jewels, but as I tried to point out before, there is better, stronger, and cheaper jewel configuration. And you gain 2 extra passive skill points!
Spoiler
For the Large Cluster Jewel, use the base "12% increased lightning damage", with 8 passives and 2 jewel sockets. For the mods, you want "Vengeful Commander", "Overshock", and ANY third notable, such as "Widespread Destruction", "Disorienting Display", or "Doryani's Lesson". Don't allocate the 3rd notable, it's useless, but we want it so that it puts that useless mod on the outside of the jewel, so we don't have to allocate it. That means we are just allocating 5 passives for the Large Cluster Jewel.
First of all, because of the crit nerf this league, Vengeful Commander gives more DPS than Vicious Bite. Second, we actually benefit from Overshock! The part that says "30% increase effect of shock" DOES apply to your Skitterbots! So the shock from skitterbots will cause enemies to take MORE damage. Normally a 20/20 skitterbot shock adds 15% x 1.24 = 18% more damage taken by enemies. With overshock, for a 20/20 skitterbot it's 15% x 1.54 = 23%. So if you want to compare it in Pob, change the shock effect to 23%.
And finally, since we are not allocating the 3rd modifier, we only use 5 passives for the large cluster jewel, so we gain 2 passives!
Oh and the fact that this jewel is MUCH CHEAPER!! So yeah, it's a better jewel setup all around.
------------------------------------
For Medium Cluster Jewels, it's the same thing. Increasing the aura effect is better than trying to increase critical. So instead of trying to get Precise Commander, instead go for either "First Among Equals" or "Replenishing Presence". Both give slightly more DPS than Precise Commander (less than 1%) but they are a LOT cheaper to get.
Nice idea!
I checked with my double cluster POB.
2x large lightning with Overshock, Vengeful + 4x medium with Vengeful, Replenish. And shock set to 28% (30% + 30% + 25%). = 8.0M
2x large with renewal, feasting, vicious + 4x medium with vengeful, precise. and shock set 18%. = 8.1M
Edit: *Ticked frenzy charges. Did not tick power charges (because can't get them against bosses).
Actually lighting cluster is better because renewal needs full life for DD bonus. Also RS has low APS, so most times you don't get bonus (10% of hit). And 4x replenish is 4% regen. very nice.
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Edit 2: I think easier to craft too.
Get i50-67 (limit possible mods).
Use metallic fossil to get overcharged.
Use harvest fire craft to get vengeful.
can i use Renewal+Rotten Claws+Vicious Bite?
you build very fun. please guide new passive + cluster.
Last edited by tanabank03#6837 on Jul 7, 2020, 3:27:39 AM
