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Margambro wrote:

Also, stupid that I am, if minions hits can only kill ignited enemies, what's igniting them? ……………….cheers.

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chickyd3v wrote:

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kayella wrote:

Oh sorry!

Try this: https://pastebin.com/Y7CE0JLa

Use Redemption Knights with this version of S&S. I'll make a video for it this weekend!

The error 302 is because I edited my POB for Redemption Knight.

Hi Kay,
Can I use this PoB with Redemption Sentry (of course with ranged support gems)?

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ShmooDude wrote:

You can also use Spectres and Spiders setup with any of these as well (though might not be worth it on the full crit). I'm doing this with only one set of clusters at the moment. Has the added advantage of keeping the shield stats/block for defense in exchange for your helmet/weapon.

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Using PoB to play around with a second set of clusters, I think full crit build isn't that strong for Redemption Sentries. At least in my current gear.

Hybrid aura / crit does more damage than full crit for RS if the only DPS node on your mega is Vicious Bite. Full aura actually seems to do more damage than full crit as well (but less than hybrid). Below DPS values use mapping gems with Pierce and LMP; Haste + Hatred; no curse.

Using 1x Large and 2x Aura with Vengeful/Precise gives me 1.26 million DPS (this is what I use now).
Using 2x Large and 4x Mega with Vicious Bite gives me 2.04 million DPS.
Using 2x Large and 4x Aura with Vengeful/First gives me 2.14 million DPS (+5% vs mega).
Using 2x Large and 4x Aura with Vengeful/Precise gives me 2.39 million DPS (+17% vs mega; +12% vs Vengeful/First).

This actually makes sense as you're really only trading 35% x 4 = 140% increased crit multiplier for 120% increased Hatred effect + 26% increased non-curse aura with Vengeful/Precise.

So you go from 4.3x down to 2.9x crit multiplier, but Hatred almost doubles in effectiveness from 1.66x to 3.1x plus Haste goes from 1.66x to 1.9x (based on my tree, might vary slightly from build to build).

Add to that the jewel socket you get that's not available on the mega version, plus the fact that it does significantly more DPS when you don't have power charges (ie bossing) and I think the hybrid wins out hands down.

Obviously the really expensive mega's will win (ie Vengeful Commander + Vicious Bite) but not by a whole lot and not worth it until you're insanely rich.

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All in all, I haven't gotten any non-spider build to stand up to the map clearing power of my spiders. Though that's probably partially due to my 320% minion damage Elegant Hubris I lucked into (took me only 2 divines) since it lessens the relative effectiveness of any increased minion damage on a wand.

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arikshkol wrote:

So if i am using rs it's better to use assassin's mark+blasphemy then curse on hit+frostbite?

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Joshua_march wrote:

Hi,

Love the build and currently trying to kill Sirus a8. I have done a deathless a6. I had a question about the watchers eye with the you gain onslaught ability. Does it apply to you or the minions? Its just a 9ex difference in price to get that on top of the phasing while affected by haste.

Thnanks

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Covidicus wrote:

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First few things your need to change :
- Do your uber lab.
- Get a Grip of the council.
- Get a decent 6L ( corrupted one with good life and res is very cheap). Farm your currency for +1 spectre later).
- Get more life on your gears.
- Change to SEntry/ Knight. Their hp pool is huge compare to slave driver, that's why they're very hard to be killed.
- Remove the 5th flask, use the one in Kay's POB.
- Use cluster jewels they're huge dmg boost. Stack aura effect is cheaper to start.

Ignore that last flask, lol, it's just an experiment while I farm T7 BCs.

I have enough for the +1 spectre chest but I'm holding off until I decide what build I'm settling on so I can buy the one with the right colored sockets. Lots of high armor offerings with a life roll for ~4ex.

The reason for my trepidation is that my slave drivers are dying SO FAST on several occasions that a 4th wouldn't even matter.

I'll invest in a new chest 6L with +1 today and look through my cluster jewel stash tab for anything worthwhile.

Thank you for your input, and more importantly--your time. :)

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I'd also advise switching to cluster jewel setup with the aura passives. Cluster jewels are fairly easy to craft yourself if you need to.

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kayella wrote:

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Margambro wrote:

Also, stupid that I am, if minions hits can only kill ignited enemies, what's igniting them? ……………….cheers.

The big difference of my spider build is I use Speaker Wreath to stop minions from getting the killing hit. The spider poison will kill monsters though and poison kill = player kill. So you can benefit from 'on kill' effect like life recovery and resummoning spiders.

Other spider builds use writhing jar to summon and resummon spiders. It's a bad mechanic, I think.

You can use fire spell on boss to ignite. Arma Brand, Holy Flame Totem, Flame Dash, Fire storm etc. I recommend HFT because it hits quickly and generates frenzy charges.