Incinerate
" I am using RF for immolate swapping increased AOE and conc effect as needed. The only thing I was losing was fire penetration from combustion. I'm still switching stuff around because I don't really want to use conc effect. Nothing here Last edited by trolldemort#3883 on Jun 11, 2018, 1:05:39 PM
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Okay so late into the last thread, someone posted a claim that the final release wave's 500% more damage with hits and ignite multiplies with the 25% more damage per stage. However, not only do I have yet to see a dev comment confirm this, but this also doesn't seem to be the case in-game. Releasing at 1 stack vs. 8 stacks results in the same time to kill on several enemies in my testing.
If it's intended that they multiply, and aren't doing so in game (and also aren't reflected in Path of Building either, but that's a different post), that's a major oversight that needs to be corrected. It would certainly explain why the skill feels so lackluster right now. Last edited by Kaosuseki#1912 on Jun 12, 2018, 11:31:36 AM
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" Seems to be working fine on my end. Here's a 2 stack vs 8 stack release on Kuduku.  |
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Interesting. It must have been user error on my end then. I hope PoB updates soon then because I'm not sure how to calculate the release wave ignite damage on my own lol.
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" Depends on how the % More is done internally. Best case scenario 8 stage Wave hit for 16x the base incinerate hit. (3 x 6), 200% more from 8 stages and 500% more from Wave multiply together Worst case scenario 8 stage Wave hits for 8x the base hit if the 200% and the 500% add together to become a big More modifier. Looks to me like the 8 stage wave did about 2x as much damage as the 2 stage wave, which falls in line with the 1st method of calculation. I think that, releasing at 8 stages is a 16x hit and at 4 stages it's a 8x hit. Also based on testing it takes 2 casts to move up from one stage to the next. So base cast time of 0.2 seconds, it takes about 3 seconds to reach 8th stage, or about 16x your incinerate cast time. Might be 3.2 seconds, I'm not 100% sure. Since you spend 2 casts at each stage, the total damage done over 3ish seconds is: 32x base damage, or on average 2x base damage per cast if you run and gun from stage 0 to stage 8. The Final wave deals a big punch of 16x when released at max stages, so you're looking at 48x base damage over 3 seconds. Which changes your average from 2x to 3x. And 3x damage is what you'd be doing if you held the channel. Final wave makes moving and starting from stage 0 not punishing when playing selfcast incinerate. By the way, none of this factors in the ignite damage, because that depends heavily on whether you invested ignites or not. My guess is that ignite focused build allows for higher realistic single target dps when you have to frequently move. All in all it's a good skill, I just wish we didn't have to cast for 2 seconds per stage, might make the skill a bit busted though. Would make it take half as much time to ramp up, so you'd get smoother damage curves and twice as many final waves, which is pretty nutty. |
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GGG why isn't a stage a cast? I mean come on what other ability does this? Error or intended, can we get an official word?
I mean FB is by cast speed, so is SR and Blight debuffs on cast speed too. Whats up with Incinerate? |
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" +1 Thank you for your work in showing this. This really slows dps incinerate can do and with the META for years now being speed is a massive issue. What are incursions but even more clear speed meta focus. Its dps is still high but, unlike FlameBlast takes too longer to get there. Flame blast builds will get off full 10 stacks in 1 sec (usually under) this is before incinerate hit its 4th stack READ FOURTH STACK. Still, most people are missing the massive damage the last wave does. It does seem to get both the 200% from the 8 stages (or 100% from 4) plus 500% from itself. When comparing 1 sec damage bursts this makes Flameblast and incinerate about the same damage (typically favoring incinerate). The more you go under 1sec the more flameblast does, and over 1 second incinerate totally beats it. As for damage application (the most important aspect to clear speed meta) flameblast does it better hands down, as you don't have to face hump bosses. And for anyone playing incinerate can tell you unless you hit ~200 aoe (x 2.0 or higher) range mobs run up to you and often stop just short of your max range. Still most stuff dies real quick. And the scaling in aoe at 3 stages is +12 rad and at 4 stages +15 meaning you get much of your aoe scaling sub 1 sec. and the degree (cone to 1/2 circle) occurs fully at 3 stages or ~0.75s. providing a great bonus to clearing. You still are going to want to get use to and only play with with builds that face tank. Thank you GGG for your work. Last edited by Amarath#3548 on Jun 13, 2018, 4:22:47 PM
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" Thank you for the new visual effect. I'm agree , incinerate need a little more love for damage and flame spread speed .Even with almost the best stuff he does't compete with blade flurry for example. Very hard to reach 1 M shaper dps; it need more than this 30 % damage effectiveness and the base dmg is too low . Keep up the good work. Last edited by Elf_97#7231 on Jun 19, 2018, 11:16:53 AM
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" Also met this bug. For my lower cast speed, it take almost 3 seconds to reach full stage. This bug tortured every incinerate player. It doesn't make sense, shouldn't the stage get one more stage every cast? And why don't we get any reply for weeks? Is the stack issue a bug or not? Will you fix this issue? |
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I was blessed by finding an Echo shrine.
it boosted my cast speed to about 20.60 with that, I'd say it was maybe 0.25 of a second to get to stage 8, basically instant, but a small noticeable delay. Sooo, if anything it's working how they intended, but just requires a lot higher numbers than we expected. just get t1 cast speed on every gear and 20/20 cast speed + echo supports, you can get to stage 8 before being slammed by a choreographed attack and die. rawr. fear me.
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