[3.7 updated] Voidfletcher Deadeye (all core content cleared, budget options available, 600+ depth)

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Shppy wrote:

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The_Alma_Negra wrote:

hi there this build is raider viable? and i ca use a queen of the forest 6L?

You'd lose an arrow (and some crit, replaceable by inc crit strikes), but it should be fine overall. Deadeye just gives a nice amount of dps boosts and that extra arrow.

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bushkalle wrote:

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Fritso wrote:

@bushkalle: If you are just using 3 frenzy charges, using Ice Bite is not worth it. I have 5 frenzy charges and even now the Added Cold gem is better. The extra freeze chance is not that important because we are a crit based build. Critical strikes also cause elemental ailments, such as freeze, burn and shock.

Hmm hmm, well mostly the freeze and the added cold damage I'm after, dont feel Bonechill adds much.. maby just me. And with 83 Int it dont give much room for blue gems etc. Tried Empower Support but felt it didnt add as much as I thought it would.

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Fritso wrote:

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bushkalle wrote:

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Fritso wrote:

@bushkalle: If you are just using 3 frenzy charges, using Ice Bite is not worth it. I have 5 frenzy charges and even now the Added Cold gem is better. The extra freeze chance is not that important because we are a crit based build. Critical strikes also cause elemental ailments, such as freeze, burn and shock.

Hmm hmm, well mostly the freeze and the added cold damage I'm after, dont feel Bonechill adds much.. maby just me. And with 83 Int it dont give much room for blue gems etc. Tried Empower Support but felt it didnt add as much as I thought it would.

The Added Cold Damage Support gem gives more cold damage than Ice Bite, due to the low amount of frenzy charges. It's also more reliable, because for certain boss fights, such as elder/shaper you won't have frenzy charges.

Empower is indeed useless, because that only scales your active skill gem (Barrage/Ice Shot/Tornado Shot) and not the support gems. Attack based gems scale very poorly with extra levels as opposed to spell gems which gain extra raw damage. So in general Empower is never worth it for attack based skills.

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kiligen86 wrote:

Would it be interesting to put ice bite + cold damage support?

I would look like something like that :

Ice shot - Ice bite - Cold damage - Mirage archer - elemental damage - 6th slots (faster attacks for me)

Well, removing bonechill for more damage ? Bonechill says "have cold damage taken increased by chill effect" but I can't find anything on wiki about those raw damage increase, only for DoT damages :/

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Fritso wrote:

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kiligen86 wrote:

Would it be interesting to put ice bite + cold damage support?

I would look like something like that :

Ice shot - Ice bite - Cold damage - Mirage archer - elemental damage - 6th slots (faster attacks for me)

Well, removing bonechill for more damage ? Bonechill says "have cold damage taken increased by chill effect" but I can't find anything on wiki about those raw damage increase, only for DoT damages :/

I would drop Ice Bite completely, because it is just sub par compared to other gems. A gem like Hypothermia (39% more dmg) would give you a lot more dmg.

So, I'd go with something like:

Ice Bite - Mirage Archer- Added Cold - Ele dmg - Hypothermia - 6th link depending on preference.

Faster attacks would indeed be nice as a 6th link. If you already have enough dmg/attack speed, you could also try Greater Multiple Projectiles for better area coverage during map clear. GMP is not good for the single target on Ice Shot though.

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kiligen86 wrote:

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Fritso wrote:

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kiligen86 wrote:

Would it be interesting to put ice bite + cold damage support?

I would look like something like that :

Ice shot - Ice bite - Cold damage - Mirage archer - elemental damage - 6th slots (faster attacks for me)

Well, removing bonechill for more damage ? Bonechill says "have cold damage taken increased by chill effect" but I can't find anything on wiki about those raw damage increase, only for DoT damages :/

I would drop Ice Bite completely, because it is just sub par compared to other gems. A gem like Hypothermia (39% more dmg) would give you a lot more dmg.

So, I'd go with something like:

Ice Bite - Mirage Archer- Added Cold - Ele dmg - Hypothermia - 6th link depending on preference.

Faster attacks would indeed be nice as a 6th link. If you already have enough dmg/attack speed, you could also try Greater Multiple Projectiles for better area coverage during map clear. GMP is not good for the single target on Ice Shot though.

And would it be smart to switch hypothermia on boss for cold penetration? Boss aren't affected by chill so we don't profit from hypothermia bonus right?

I'm doing barrage to dump all my void shots early on then connectings with regular ice shot on it to be more safe moving around quickly so that's why i'm trying to figure out a way to optimize both worlds

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Fritso wrote:

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kiligen86 wrote:

And would it be smart to switch hypothermia on boss for cold penetration? Boss aren't affected by chill so we don't profit from hypothermia bonus right?

I'm doing barrage to dump all my void shots early on then connectings with regular ice shot on it to be more safe moving around quickly so that's why i'm trying to figure out a way to optimize both worlds

You are correct. Switching Hypothermia for something like Cold Pen would be a good idea for bosses. Don't think it's needed for normal map bosses, but will help for T16 guardians/Elder/Shaper.

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Shppy wrote:

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Fritso wrote:

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kiligen86 wrote:

And would it be smart to switch hypothermia on boss for cold penetration? Boss aren't affected by chill so we don't profit from hypothermia bonus right?

I'm doing barrage to dump all my void shots early on then connectings with regular ice shot on it to be more safe moving around quickly so that's why i'm trying to figure out a way to optimize both worlds

You are correct. Switching Hypothermia for something like Cold Pen would be a good idea for bosses. Don't think it's needed for normal map bosses, but will help for T16 guardians/Elder/Shaper.

Couple points:

Bosses are affected by chill, nothing is immune to chill anymore. And Ice Shot's chilled ground means you don't even have to depend on hitting damage thresholds to chill, you will chill guaranteed if they're on that ground.

To the bonechill question from earlier, bonechill causes increased cold damage taken on enemies based on the strength of the chill. It also gives a static amount of additional increased cold damage over time taken that this build doesn't use, but the chill-scaling part applies to all cold damage and is useful to this build, and it amounts to about 15-16% more damage for every skill in the setup. It's less dps for ice shot itself, but it's much better for voidshot and tshot/barrage/etc.


The notion of using the trigger skills to help out voidshot is also part of the reason i use faster attacks, despite it not being as much raw dps for the skill its linked to as other stuff like slower projectiles. Faster attacks means being able to trigger voidshots more rapidly (although that's less relevant if you use the barrage approach), and it also means being able to attack-and-move more ably, which is important to this build's defense... we can't really afford to be stuck in place too long.