ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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deathflower wrote:

North Korea-US summit is both cancel and not cancel. Are they doing doublespeak now?

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Red, commanded by retired Marine Corps Lieutenant General Paul K. Van Riper, adopted an asymmetric strategy, in particular, using old methods to evade Blue's sophisticated electronic surveillance network. Van Riper used motorcycle messengers to transmit orders to front-line troops and World-War-II-style light signals to launch airplanes without radio communications.

Red received an ultimatum from Blue, essentially a surrender document, demanding a response within 24 hours. Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected.

At this point, the exercise was suspended, Blue's ships were "re-floated", and the rules of engagement were changed; this was later justified by General Peter Pace as follows: "You kill me in the first day and I sit there for the next 13 days doing nothing, or you put me back to life and you get 13 more days' worth of experiment out of me. Which is a better way to do it?"[1] After the reset, both sides were ordered to follow predetermined plans of action.

After the war game was restarted, its participants were forced to follow a script drafted to ensure a Blue Force victory. Among other rules imposed by this script, Red Force was ordered to turn on their anti-aircraft radar in order for them to be destroyed, and was not allowed to shoot down any of the aircraft bringing Blue Force troops ashore.[2] Van Riper also claimed that exercise officials denied him the opportunity to use his own tactics and ideas against Blue Force, and that they also ordered Red Force not to use certain weapons systems against Blue Force and even ordered the location of Red Force units to be revealed.[3]

This led to accusations that the war game had turned from an honest, open, free playtest of U.S. war-fighting capabilities into a rigidly controlled and scripted exercise intended to end in an overwhelming U.S. victory,[2] alleging that "$250 million was wasted"

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

Trump was never serious about a deal with NK. He's just playing. IMO, I think the Trump administration just wanted to make it appear like they tried to make a deal with NK, just so they can justify attacking them at a later date for non-compliance. Same thing with Iran. Some talking heads were seriously consider recommending Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize, and I was like hahahahahahah yeah......no. Might want to wait and see what actually happens. He's a warmongering buffoon.

Anyone in the US military, I'd recommend not signing up for another tour. Make these bastards draft millennials to fight in North Korea and Iran. To ensure that it's the most unpopular war in history.

People seem to have this notion that the US military is invincible, and cannot be defeated. But if the USA sends their Navy into the Persian Gulf to attack Iran, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Iran sinks a dozen ships, along with an aircraft carrier. Iran isn't going to fight a straight up war with the USA, they're going to use asymmetrical warfare tactics, that the USA isn't going to be prepared to deal with. Their strategy is going to be to inflict maximum possible casualties on US forces, and make it extremely costly in manpower and resources. And make the war politically not viable. People working in body bag manufacturing are going to be working overtime. Along with US flag lapel pin makers, one for each body bag. North Korea will be the same deal.

Iran has Sunburn Missiles capable of taking out US ships. They probably got all the prime firing positions already mapped out, and will be prepared to launch a salvo of

The USA cannot use nuclear weapons in either theater without extremely severe consequences from the Russians, and the Chinese. The USA is shoehorned into fighting a conventional war, and is obligated to fighting within the confines of the Geneva Convention, when neither Iran or North Korea is going to play by those rules. Nor should they if the USA attacks them on their turf.

Here is the way I look at it, if North Korea nukes someone, we're looking at probably 250k dead. Our response is simple, we nuke Pyongyang, and annihilate North Korea's government. A conventional invasion of that country would result in even more casualties. This is why we can't just attack someone for developing nuclear weapons. Besides, I don't think they have a case for demanding Iran not develop nuclear weapons, unless Israel has to give up theirs.

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"The USA is shoehorned into fighting a conventional war, and is obligated to fighting within the confines of the Geneva Convention"

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Aim_Deep wrote:

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

Trump was never serious about a deal with NK. He's just playing. IMO, I think the Trump administration just wanted to make it appear like they tried to make a deal with NK, just so they can justify attacking them at a later date for non-compliance. Same thing with Iran. Some talking heads were seriously consider recommending Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize, and I was like hahahahahahah yeah......no. Might want to wait and see what actually happens. He's a warmongering buffoon.

Anyone in the US military, I'd recommend not signing up for another tour. Make these bastards draft millennials to fight in North Korea and Iran. To ensure that it's the most unpopular war in history.

People seem to have this notion that the US military is invincible, and cannot be defeated. But if the USA sends their Navy into the Persian Gulf to attack Iran, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Iran sinks a dozen ships, along with an aircraft carrier. Iran isn't going to fight a straight up war with the USA, they're going to use asymmetrical warfare tactics, that the USA isn't going to be prepared to deal with. Their strategy is going to be to inflict maximum possible casualties on US forces, and make it extremely costly in manpower and resources. And make the war politically not viable. People working in body bag manufacturing are going to be working overtime. Along with US flag lapel pin makers, one for each body bag. North Korea will be the same deal.

Iran has Sunburn Missiles capable of taking out US ships. They probably got all the prime firing positions already mapped out, and will be prepared to launch a salvo of

The USA cannot use nuclear weapons in either theater without extremely severe consequences from the Russians, and the Chinese. The USA is shoehorned into fighting a conventional war, and is obligated to fighting within the confines of the Geneva Convention, when neither Iran or North Korea is going to play by those rules. Nor should they if the USA attacks them on their turf.

Here is the way I look at it, if North Korea nukes someone, we're looking at probably 250k dead. Our response is simple, we nuke Pyongyang, and annihilate North Korea's government. A conventional invasion of that country would result in even more casualties. This is why we can't just attack someone for developing nuclear weapons. Besides, I don't think they have a case for demanding Iran not develop nuclear weapons, unless Israel has to give up theirs.

US is far from invincible. Taliban is winning they control 75% of the country. Cities are only things we can hold. This is guys in sandals with Korean war era weapons. He had to pay off Iraq's to stop attacking us with suitcases stuffed full of $100 bills to "win" surge and make Bush look good a few months. Image a first rate army with real weapons like NK. And no it would be far more deadly about 20 million are in range of NK artillery alone not to mention nukes.

War fighting never works out like we plan. To actually control territory and dig out fortifications it turns to disaster every time since at least the last korean war.

I agree about Iran. We'll take out via air while our MEK terrorists we train and try forment a revolution. No US ground troops though.

NK no way.

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

Also, Turkey might be moving away from the EU/NATO to form closer ties with the Russians: