[3.x - Discontinued for now] Burning Spectres - Torch the Atlas - HC Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri

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wiwigvn wrote:

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dbush2765 wrote:

So for Shaper and Uber Atziri, would you recommend using a Cloak of Defiance, or a Vis Mortis? Mostly concerned with AG getting killed due to the reduced life from the Vis Mortis. Just curious what other people's opinions on this one is.

AG will get rekt with Vis Mortis. Just for your information. I'm not sure it may survive in a +2 helm with empower but it's not worth it.

Using Vis mortis and AG, he easily facetanks beam, only way he dies to shaper is if I leave him on the ground effect,slam and beam back to back, all in all, level your gems, use empower and minion life for AG gentlemen

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krofj wrote:

I rolled this one. And what can i say... At some point I hope its getting nerfed. Killed shaper on lvl 77 with out uber lab. Did not have capped resistances and my hp was around 4.5. Cleared all guardians etc... Damage output is out of this world... Tankiness of those spectres are really too far... :) next stop is uber atziri, but I wanna get around lvl 88 at least to try it. Need more hp.

Sorry to have to say this, but you are also referring to scrubcore. This is exactly why I can't do softcore related leagues, there is just no thrill or challenge. You can roll a lead sprinkler build or doomfletch and do the same shit with 4 million dps.

My roommate played a bow build that essentially was a glass cannon and was able to "clear all content". It's all relatively really, when you have no fear of death you can do/try anything really.

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kallell wrote:

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krofj wrote:

I rolled this one. And what can i say... At some point I hope its getting nerfed. Killed shaper on lvl 77 with out uber lab. Did not have capped resistances and my hp was around 4.5. Cleared all guardians etc... Damage output is out of this world... Tankiness of those spectres are really too far... :) next stop is uber atziri, but I wanna get around lvl 88 at least to try it. Need more hp.

Sorry to have to say this, but you are also referring to scrubcore. This is exactly why I can't do softcore related leagues, there is just no thrill or challenge. You can roll a lead sprinkler build or doomfletch and do the same shit with 4 million dps.

My roommate played a bow build that essentially was a glass cannon and was able to "clear all content". It's all relatively really, when you have no fear of death you can do/try anything really.

As opposed to the thrill of having to logout macro lul.

On a serious note tho hardcore would be so much more fun if it weren't for random bullshit deaths and a logout macro where as long as you don't get 1 shot you can gtfo.

I do admire your courage to be able to risk death to internet issues though ^^

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lostcoaster wrote:

Thanks for the build.

As for the shield I tried Unshattered Will

Spoiler

It gives life, resist (which I need most as my other pieces does not give much), and block chance.
Then it also has a "gain mana on block". So my mana depletes slower in nasty situations (e.g. no regen/dmg mods maps).
Finally, the harbinger from it grants a buff that provides 20% ALL damage reduction, and immunity to ALL ailments plus stun. However it is tricky to utilize as it only triggers on channeling. I changed ball lightning to storm burst for this. losing a bit efficiency but I think is worthy.

Just my 2c.

any1 else for this idea? not sure if it's worth because we dont really need this because you try avoid strong attacks from endbosses with whirling blades anyway imho and you arent suppose to tank abilities either; anyway 20% dmg red doesnt make you a good tank (besides the fact that this build is anyway too op)

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facelessman122 wrote:

I agree biscos and rathpith cant really be beaten for mapping

I have been running Bisco's Collar with the Bisco's rampage belt (have to run a Purity of Elements) and it's so much fun. Been getting 600+ stacks doing clears of Shaped Ashen Woods.

[Edit] If I use the zana breach mod, I hit 1000 every time.

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hedonist wrote:

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kallell wrote:

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krofj wrote:

I rolled this one. And what can i say... At some point I hope its getting nerfed. Killed shaper on lvl 77 with out uber lab. Did not have capped resistances and my hp was around 4.5. Cleared all guardians etc... Damage output is out of this world... Tankiness of those spectres are really too far... :) next stop is uber atziri, but I wanna get around lvl 88 at least to try it. Need more hp.

Sorry to have to say this, but you are also referring to scrubcore. This is exactly why I can't do softcore related leagues, there is just no thrill or challenge. You can roll a lead sprinkler build or doomfletch and do the same shit with 4 million dps.

My roommate played a bow build that essentially was a glass cannon and was able to "clear all content". It's all relatively really, when you have no fear of death you can do/try anything really.

As opposed to the thrill of having to logout macro lul.

On a serious note tho hardcore would be so much more fun if it weren't for random bullshit deaths and a logout macro where as long as you don't get 1 shot you can gtfo.

I do admire your courage to be able to risk death to internet issues though ^^

I have a logout macro, but it's just kind of legacy at this point from the old rubberbanding days. I think i've used it once this league. Honestly the game is pretty stable now, even on wireless i stick between 25-40 MS consistently. The gateways are pretty stable and random internet issues are something typically linked to some user configuration nowadays. There was some issues with the Texas gateway back during that hurricane, but outside of that most deaths are completely user related and an "oh shit i could have avoided that." type of thing....like trying the uber trio while they were possessed by a spirit (my main rip).

There is the other element too, economically gear never leaves the leagues, and there is just such an abundance after the first few weeks it creates kind of an artificial power creep. Getting fairly good gear for a fraction (well maybe not fraction) of the cost of a hc counterpart bothers me a bit too. I suppose there is SF, but that's a bit too extreme for the timeframe i have to play on a weekly bases.

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krofj wrote:

I rolled this one. And what can i say... At some point I hope its getting nerfed. Killed shaper on lvl 77 with out uber lab. Did not have capped resistances and my hp was around 4.5. Cleared all guardians etc... Damage output is out of this world... Tankiness of those spectres are really too far... :) next stop is uber atziri, but I wanna get around lvl 88 at least to try it. Need more hp.

this build is incredibly strong indeed, but you have to consider that:
- spectres have average clearspeed, not even comparable to that broken dark pact berserker which deals ton of damage in single target and has a ridicolous clearspeed;
- spectres can die occasionally; it's avoidable with knowledge of the mechanics and keeping an eye on their life and positioning, but there are bosses and maps which are still dangerous for them: 1) uber atziri trio, if the guys who apply stacks of bleeding are not killed fast enough, one or two spectres will die; if the guy who spawns degen around the room is not killed fast, it becomes dangerous both for you and your spectres; 2) uber lab and trials chop-traps or spikes can kill the spectres if you don't use convocation a lot or if they get stuck in a room full of those traps; 3)overgrown ruin bosses with degeneration and chaos damage can kill the spectres if they don't get killed fast enough 4)spectres will die in hall of grandmasters due to pvp scaling in damage while spectres downlevel with the zone; 5) minotaur with poison on hit can be an issue sometimes but not too much of a trouble.

at the moment there are builds like the scion bladeflurry, the dark pact perserker, the wander pathfinder, who can obliterate shaper, uber atziri, uber izaro etc. even faster than spectres, clearing maps and lab at much faster speed; and they don't need to summon anyone, they just login, left-click spam the skills, and some of them even facetank the stuff.
I hope that GGG will consider this when it's time to nerf stuff

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hedonist wrote:

Another thing about gear choices, I can't understand anyone willing to use a stone of lazhwar with some random shield over rathpith + bisco's, you don't need the extra stats from amulet or the shield to do any of the content, so why not get extra drops?

if you're lucky and have dropped bisco's collar in some map, it's totally worth it; I'm not wearing any because...why should I purchase a mediocre IIQ roll bisco's for like 1 exalted and nearly 2 exalted for an high roll? unless I'm running maps all the day long, it will take forever for me to gain back that exalted spent on it and making the investment worth, plus the league will end november 27th, I think that getting a bisco's collar early in league and equipping it from the start would help instead.

OMG ty, Natt!!!

Im first time kill all guards and shaper on HC! its so ez! ty

gear


on shaper use purity of ice
95lvl - 7200hp/1950freemana

gl all ^^

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Giammafix wrote:

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hedonist wrote:

Another thing about gear choices, I can't understand anyone willing to use a stone of lazhwar with some random shield over rathpith + bisco's, you don't need the extra stats from amulet or the shield to do any of the content, so why not get extra drops?

if you're lucky and have dropped bisco's collar in some map, it's totally worth it; I'm not wearing any because...why should I purchase a mediocre IIQ roll bisco's for like 1 exalted and nearly 2 exalted for an high roll? unless I'm running maps all the day long, it will take forever for me to gain back that exalted spent on it and making the investment worth, plus the league will end november 27th, I think that getting a bisco's collar early in league and equipping it from the start would help instead.

I'd like to say it doesn't take long at all to regain the currency you put in for bisco's but my word would have little more credibility than some arbitrary numbers, if at all.

What I can tell you however is that the gaming experience is much more enjoyable with the extra drops. Also considering the logic behind choosing to or not to buy bisco's comes down to the same reason why yo uget upgrades to your gear. Seeing how this build can do end game with underwear and a a pair of socks there is no reason to ever bother getting a 6 link etc.