[3.x - Discontinued for now] Burning Spectres - Torch the Atlas - HC Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

Does the clear speed ever improve? It's kind of...meh, even with 19 Desecrate and 19 Raise Specter.
My gear

Also, I just did a t9 and a Abysaal Depths in it. two of my Specters died, had to turn around and go back to hideout.
t9 and Specters dying....kinda worrisome, and again, the clear speed is meh.

The clearspeed gets better, sure, but not by a lot. Last league, with Wickermen, was pretty awesome, but with them being nerfed hard for 3.1, well... folks have been struggling to get back up to 3.0 effectiveness levels.

Some folks have added zombies, or skeleton mages, or flame golems, with varying levels of success. A few folks have decided to run 2 Tukohama's Vanguards in one of the new effectively 6L helms, and 2 solar guards in their chest. It's possible to support them both - and realistically, you don't need to min/max the solar guards if all you care about is clear speed.

You should not be losing Specs in a t9. I haven't seen my spectres health move a pixel since I started mapping. I'd check your tree, but your profile is set to private. Your gear looks mostly ok - your jewels could use some work. Minion attack and cast speed doesn't help TVs, and neither does flat additional fire damage, for instance.

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

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seanbr wrote:

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

Does the clear speed ever improve? It's kind of...meh, even with 19 Desecrate and 19 Raise Specter.
My gear

Map with Solar Guards, use undying hunger. Only use TV's for hard bossing (T16/17 imo).

Solarguards is a completely different support gem set up in chest...

The Op leads us to believe the burning Specters are just fine. In fact it's what the build thread is about. They're kinda...not. Not for clear speed anyways. But uh....changing chest colors again and again can't be the answer : /. I don't know anyone who does ONLY t16 bosses or ONLY mapping.

I'm pretty underwhelmed and annoyed. As you can see, I'm heavily invested.

You don't need to change chest colours for solar guards - green socket for GMP, red socket for fire pen. Minion damage, spell echo, controlled destruction and ele focus for the rest

In any case not sure why your having issues, I'm doing a similar build in SSF Abyss, and have not had a spectre die yet to anything
I experiment with different spectres - I've even had 2 Kitava's heralds and 2 Vanguards.
KH are very aggressive and jump ahead on anything, and shoot mortars if they are behind.

I even found a skele mage jewel so I put it into my "5 link" elder helmet, but only 5 of the 8 skeles are mages.

SSF and still making it work

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grimjack68 wrote:

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

I don't even know what to say right now.

My 21 AG died in a tier 4 trial. Really? I gotta buy his gear again? What kinda gay crap is that? So...you can't do Uber Lab with AG then??

edit: guess I was suppsoed to take the AG gem out /desummon him. He keeps his items.

For your AG to survive, he needs more levels... and maybe more life. I run him in a +2 minion gems helm, with fortify, minion life, and empower 3+. Plus, for the TV support I give him Bringer of Rain, which boosts his life even more. With this setup I've taken him through a ghosted Phoenix and he survived. You could add in Southbound gloves as well, then chances are he can tank Shaper's beam.

T4 trial seems awfully low to lose him in. If you're going to support him with just a couple gems though, put him in a weapon or shield, then you can desummon by using weapon switch.

I was under the impression you don't need empower for map clearing, only for shaper. My AG is level 21. I do have a empower level 4 bought and ready. He completely disappeared in that trial which is pretty stupid IMO.

Anyways guys, thanks for the replies. I don't know why I thought the colors were different for Solar Guards. I'll give it a shot.

I used the fire guys from like 45-60 and it was great. Now mapping though, it's pretty slow.

Hi friends! I've been loosely following this guide and just got done with the campaign so I've been setting up my equipment to start mapping. I'll link my equips so you can see what links I've been running, but was wondering if anybody had any suggestions what I could run in the 4L in the Vis Mortis? I have most of my other bases covered I'm pretty sure and was thinking skeletons would be nice. Maybe Summon Skeletons on a totem with minion life/damage?

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grimjack68 wrote:

How much life does your AG have on tooltip? Mine has survived everything, however, I'm in a +2 helm, with AG / Minion Life / Fortify / Empower3. I'm over 38000 tooltip life.

22k.

i think sell my helmet and byed some with +2 minion + minion life jevel insert.

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

I was under the impression you don't need empower for map clearing, only for shaper. My AG is level 21. I do have a empower level 4 bought and ready. He completely disappeared in that trial which is pretty stupid IMO.

bleeding traps killing any of minion in seconds. so just unsummon AG at the trial and resummon after.
in the lub unsummon at beginning and resummon at isaro. unsummon after boss.

its only way to save him. for me.

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6aPMaJIeuKuH wrote:

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

I was under the impression you don't need empower for map clearing, only for shaper. My AG is level 21. I do have a empower level 4 bought and ready. He completely disappeared in that trial which is pretty stupid IMO.

bleeding traps killing any of minion in seconds. so just unsummon AG at the trial and resummon after.
in the lub unsummon at beginning and resummon at isaro. unsummon after boss.

its only way to save him. for me.

There is often a regen item or cwdt/protect item you can swap over the AG while running the lab traps and then switch back for a tough Isaro. My AG is in +1 socketed gems gloves and since I have 300 str, I can get good regen with AG swapped out. If not using AG, makes sense to get something else.

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

Does the clear speed ever improve? It's kind of...meh, even with 19 Desecrate and 19 Raise Specter.
My gear

Also, I just did a t9 and a Abysaal Depths in it. two of my Specters died, had to turn around and go back to hideout.
t9 and Specters dying....kinda worrisome, and again, the clear speed is meh.

In what map are you summoning your spectres? try raising them in as high as possible, t16 or t17. If you summon them in your hideout they will only get level 60 even with maxed hideout.

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

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seanbr wrote:

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

Does the clear speed ever improve? It's kind of...meh, even with 19 Desecrate and 19 Raise Specter.
My gear

Map with Solar Guards, use undying hunger. Only use TV's for hard bossing (T16/17 imo).

Solarguards is a completely different support gem set up in chest...

The Op leads us to believe the burning Specters are just fine. In fact it's what the build thread is about. They're kinda...not. Not for clear speed anyways. But uh....changing chest colors again and again can't be the answer : /. I don't know anyone who does ONLY t16 bosses or ONLY mapping.

I'm pretty underwhelmed and annoyed. As you can see, I'm heavily invested.

I think the problem is that he's summoning his TV's in his hideout, and not the highest level map he can in. Therefore wouldn't they be lower level?

Could someone please check out my profile & give me some critique for next gear upgrades? Aside from a 6L, I'm wanting to make some optimisations to my character for mapping... currently using 4SG and AG with aura-based items (deaths breath, leer cast etc.)

Thanks! :-)