[3.15] For Scion - Ngamahu's Flame Cyclone / Consecrated Path / Tectonic Slam

I made a new account using your build.
Just got lvl 55 and using a 4-linked Ngamahu now, it's so op and very fun to play. :)

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Im going to try Ngamahu but still didn't chose if i should go Raider, Slayer or some Scion combo, any tips?

I was playing Ngamahu CI Pathfinder back in Breach and had like 55k HO tooltip and Shper was going fine. Still i was mega tanky with 10k ES and Vinktar ToH Dying Sun.

The build is now complete and the choice of ascendancy are Champion + Raider (was Elementalist) based on @Ezevade's tweak to the build.

These changes enable Scion to have huge damage burst on single target.

@Dorrian & @Kipjes, thank you for trying out this build. There is some adjustment to the build so you will need to do some re-spec. Sorry about that.


Remember to check out this Deathless Shaper kill video uploaded by @Ezevade.

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kira1414 wrote:

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Im going to try Ngamahu but still didn't chose if i should go Raider, Slayer or some Scion combo, any tips?

I was playing Ngamahu CI Pathfinder back in Breach and had like 55k HO tooltip and Shper was going fine. Still i was mega tanky with 10k ES and Vinktar ToH Dying Sun.

The build is now complete and the choice of ascendancy are Champion + Raider (was Elementalist) based on @Ezevade's tweak to the build.

These changes enable Scion to have huge damage burst on single target.

@Dorrian & @Kipjes, thank you for trying out this build. There is some adjustment to the build so you will need to do some re-spec. Sorry about that.


Remember to check out this Deathless Shaper kill video uploaded by @Ezevade.

I saw some of the changes on the tree I tried to make adjustments but If you could look at my profile and recommend the best path to respec I would appreciate it a ton! Im following the Without Xoph's Blood tree. Ty so much!

Did some testing in PoB and seems that Scion can get some more dmg from Cyclone but Molten Burst is wrose. Still Slayer with EO gonna have more dmg then Scion. Then if u go full dmg without fortify Slayer gonna get way more dmg.

Taking Darkray Vectors should give more dmg and the same movement speed if u get corrupted one +1 Frenzy, u will also get 12% to dodge attacks.

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Did some testing in PoB and seems that Scion can get some more dmg from Cyclone but Molten Burst is wrose. Still Slayer with EO gonna have more dmg then Scion. Then if u go full dmg without fortify Slayer gonna get way more dmg.

Taking Darkray Vectors should give more dmg and the same movement speed if u get corrupted one +1 Frenzy, u will also get 12% to dodge attacks.

But how do you plan to sustain frenzy charges on single target with slayer?

EDIT: My PoB for Scion and Slayer at level 90 with effectively sustainable buffs for boss fight:

Slayer: http://prntscr.com/gf17d2
http://prntscr.com/gf17jb

Scion:
http://prntscr.com/gf17vq
http://prntscr.com/gf1810

I'd also like to point out that these are both my actual characters that i have played with same gear, not just a simulation.

question is when i remove the craft for physical what ring would be east to go with thanks

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Ezevade wrote:

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Did some testing in PoB and seems that Scion can get some more dmg from Cyclone but Molten Burst is wrose. Still Slayer with EO gonna have more dmg then Scion. Then if u go full dmg without fortify Slayer gonna get way more dmg.

Taking Darkray Vectors should give more dmg and the same movement speed if u get corrupted one +1 Frenzy, u will also get 12% to dodge attacks.

But how do you plan to sustain frenzy charges on single target with slayer?

EDIT: My PoB for Scion and Slayer at level 90 with effectively sustainable buffs for boss fight:

Slayer: http://prntscr.com/gf17d2
http://prntscr.com/gf17jb

Scion:
http://prntscr.com/gf17vq
http://prntscr.com/gf1810

I'd also like to point out that these are both my actual characters that i have played with same gear, not just a simulation.

Yeah but im just talking about the max DPS possible someone can reach with EO. Got this PoB from Kitaen https://pastebin.com/UY9SKPPP if we talk about real boss DPS ofc he won't be on full life all the time and he won't have frenzy charges. So maybe when talking abour real possible DPS Scion can be ahead, im still not sure.

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Ezevade wrote:

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Did some testing in PoB and seems that Scion can get some more dmg from Cyclone but Molten Burst is wrose. Still Slayer with EO gonna have more dmg then Scion. Then if u go full dmg without fortify Slayer gonna get way more dmg.

Taking Darkray Vectors should give more dmg and the same movement speed if u get corrupted one +1 Frenzy, u will also get 12% to dodge attacks.

But how do you plan to sustain frenzy charges on single target with slayer?

EDIT: My PoB for Scion and Slayer at level 90 with effectively sustainable buffs for boss fight:

Slayer: http://prntscr.com/gf17d2
http://prntscr.com/gf17jb

Scion:
http://prntscr.com/gf17vq
http://prntscr.com/gf1810

I'd also like to point out that these are both my actual characters that i have played with same gear, not just a simulation.

Yeah but im just talking about the max DPS possible someone can reach with EO. Got this PoB from Kitaen https://pastebin.com/UY9SKPPP if we talk about real boss DPS ofc he won't be on full life all the time and he won't have frenzy charges. So maybe when talking abour real possible DPS Scion can be ahead, im still not sure.

But you forget that scion while being able to sustain frenzy charges and actually have nearly double effective dps of slayer can aswell go EO and by going EO with acuity you have about 15 free points from vaal pact area to put into damage. My Scion melted shaper in comparison to my slayer.

or are my rings i linked worthless for this build any advice be great thanks

I actually question fire penetration as a link, even more so if you have Xoph's neck. (as an perma option instead of a swap if the enemy as extra fire resist).

Fire pen on weapon (20%) + 9% from flamability (level 20/21) is already 29%. Lava lash is already 8% fire pen (not sure if it works on molten burst or not).

37% fire pen almost completely covers most guardian's + shaper, and you get another 10% if you have the necklace.

Then there are side options such as staying Elementalist for the 6% pen (and if you hate reflect, or I presume if you go the crit/EO version you can grab all of the elemental pen on the right side of the tree. Or flask as the wise oak.

This is mostly just theorycrafting since if you can replace fire pen with something you can prob kill shaper even faster from molten burst if it's not needed.

Other options if fire pen isn't 100% needed all the time -

Red:
Life Gain on Hit - Allows you to skip vaal pact maybe?
Added fire damage - Easy swap in for potentinally more damage

Green:

Point blank - save 2 points
faster/slower proj - damage