[3.11] Shaper = Stunned, Tidebreaker Heavy Strike Stunner Build

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PlayArcher wrote:

Great job mate, cannot wait for all the info! Btw, how it's going to be with packs clearing? Will we use a new aoe gem? What about ms skills choices? Thx!

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brightwaha wrote:

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PlayArcher wrote:

Great job mate, cannot wait for all the info! Btw, how it's going to be with packs clearing? Will we use a new aoe gem? What about ms skills choices? Thx!

The real answer is I am not so sure. There are many new Support gems and I can no longer speak from experience here. I expect Ground Slam and Sunder to be good, and I think maybe clearing with Heavy Strike isn't going to be too bad either (with investment into weapon range).

I think we stick with Leap Slam as our movement skill. There are not really other contenders anyway.

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Alykk wrote:

can u do an update for passives 3.7 ?

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brightwaha wrote:

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Crujien wrote:

I know about Impale being it's own damage source/instance, but have a look at the following calculation:

We get 90% Impale chance from tree/support.
We get 89% increased effect of impale from tree/support.
Using Dread Banner adds another 20% chance and 19% effect. 110% chance, 108% effect in total.

Now, our first hit would do 100% damage with no impale stacks on enemy.
Second hit would do 100% (normal hit) + 20,8% (including increased effect) from one impale stack in two seperate source/instances.
Third hit does 100% + 41,6% from two impale stacks - again, in two sources/instances.
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Sixth hit onwards deals 100% + 104% from impale.

So, while saying Impale does not help the initial hit on stun chance is true, we get double the hits/chances/sources running after the sixth hit.

Also i don't really understand your argument with mobs dieing before we stack this up. Normal/Rare mobs will be dead by the first or second hit anyway and on bosses the stacking will be up after the first second in combat (another plus: no decaying when you need to move - impale stacks have no timer). So as far as you don't kill bosses within <10 hits, this should be worth after all.

I am actually not so sure if Impale works this way. Impales are separate debuffs dealing reflection damage themselves. So there is a possibility that each instance is calculated separately instead of collectively. There is also a possibility that our r.E.S.T. won't work because for example Skull Cracking says "10% reduced enemy stun threshold with maces", and Impale may not be calculated as our mace damage. We need clarification on this mechanics before doing any math here.

Another comment is about the fluctuations in our damage. Our hits don't look like 100, 100, 100, 100, 100. Rather, it looks like 75, 50, 200, 100, 75. It isn't the hits dealing 50 that are stunning, it's the hits dealing 200 that are. So when you add up the Impales, you're essentially taking the average, and you cannot compare the average with the ones that actually stun the enemies.

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Kapitolist wrote:

Hey Bright,

Did some quick math to approximate the value of bersker:
https://pastebin.com/raw/8Q0j9BUU

Results:
https://pastebin.com/raw/PQXzB5v8


Not too sure if any of my numbers/assumptions were too out of whack, but it seems that berserk wins over keeping rage stacks only over the first few seconds. For prolonged fights (>4s), maintaining rage stacks is better.

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Shrie wrote:

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Kapitolist wrote:

Hey Bright,

Did some quick math to approximate the value of bersker:
https://pastebin.com/raw/8Q0j9BUU

Results:
https://pastebin.com/raw/PQXzB5v8


Not too sure if any of my numbers/assumptions were too out of whack, but it seems that berserk wins over keeping rage stacks only over the first few seconds. For prolonged fights (>4s), maintaining rage stacks is better.

berzerker w/ 3x rage effect i wasnt sure but all my pob info indicated this would be the case. thanks for doing the math!

Still might be worth poping at low rage values like 5-10 for a few strong hits early.

I reckon non-berzerkers will get more out of the berzerk skill since they arnt losing 3x the power of rage.