[3.11] Shaper = Stunned, Tidebreaker Heavy Strike Stunner Build
" Since we already have quite a lot of cooldown recovery, I think the Enduring Cry cooldown enchant is quite ineffective. Berserk rage loss enchant would make much more sense if you want to make more use out of the rage generated. If using Berserk, 2 * Mob Mentality is very efficient. 3 is an overkill and 1 is not quite enough. I think if you can manage, getting 2 Mob Mentality is quite important. I am testing the combination of Rallying Cry and Berserk now. See my profile and or the Alternative Playstyle section for details. It does work and offer great DPS, but at the same time such playstyle requires too much button pressing and is difficult to play optimally. |
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Since I cannot program simulations to optimize my build, I will take your advice. :p Thanks.
(Just checked the price for a starkonja's with berserk enchant--they are all going for 13-15 exalt, which is quite a lot. I will try to get one on standard instead. I did pick up a rare helmet with the enchant, but it doesn't have a dex mod.) Last edited by JaguarXXX#5097 on Apr 8, 2020, 12:55:29 AM
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I decided to try out Enduring Cry. So then I really started enjoying it (Slayer btw). So then I remembered you guys talking about Mob Mentality and Cry Wolf. Then I stumbled on a video of the cluster being talked about, touting it's strength (moreso on regen builds). Decided to pick it up tonight just to try it and my god it's the best decision I ever made this league.
So yeah, I wanna parrot your point about this not being a budget build. The clusters will cost a pretty penny, I still don't even have a double jewel socket version of my Heavy Hitter cluster. Also the normal jewels easily run minimum 60c, like atk speed, dmg, str, life, etc. The only upside was that Kaom's dropped in price dramatically this league. We won't bring up Ryslatha's... |
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" If you're paying 60c for normal jewels you're not doing it right. If you look at my profile and stash I have a big collection of jewels in Delirium and I paid like 5c on average for most of them. And regarding the cluster jewels, perfect ones are always going to be expensive, but you don't really need the absolute best ones. Try search for combinations that are not commonly desired and with some luck you will find some pretty good cluster jewels at around 20c. And that's the average price I paid for my collection of cluster jewels. Most item pieces needed for this build have a low demand and if you know what to look for you will end up paying far less for your items. So, I wouldn't say this build is expensive, instead, I think it's fair to say that this build can be expensive - because the build works perfectly fine with sub-optimal cluster jewels and other stuff, and can be gradually improved with better items. And I think it's one of the things GGG tried to achieve and finally succeeded. Previously some budget builds have no room for improvement. Now with the inclusion of cluster jewels, anointment, timeless jewels, a lot of great rare mods, etc. most builds can be improved with more investment, and I think it's a good thing. And Ryslatha's Coil... people are starting to realize how good it is. It is an important upgrade for us and it sucks that it's that expensive; but a regular abyss belt isn't that bad either. |
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@brightwaha
thanks for your constant effort updating and improving this build all the time. I started a ground slam Zerker before I found your build and I am going to switch into yours using HS as single target skill. However I am not sure how to proceed right now, checking your Berserker char in your profile, but reading your comments regarding the playstyle for rallying cry and button pressing. ------------------------------------------ Atm I am using: 2 Heavy Hitter / Overlord/Weight Advantage 2 Mob mentality haunting shout/rattling bellow 3 normal jewel 7% life / attack speed between 9-12% 1 watcher's, 6% life 12% double damage with pride I run enduring cry/berserk/ground slam (vaal GS) and switch for bossing awakened inc area for concentrated effect. lvl 91 now, have 7k life and around 250K dps ( 350k w/conc effect) flasked, when I hoover over the Skill icon with my mouse --------------------------------------------- For my Ground Slam I use I want to buy a second Tidebreaker now 6 red and build up a single target HS Skill and invest some ex into better gear: I tried the best possible ryslatha coil (48/36) in PoB to find out how much better it is than my actual belt and if it is worth the expense, but I always get less dps than with my actual belt do I something wrong? If you find the time I would love to get some advise what on my gear/gems to improve and what helmet and enchant you advise when I switch to Heavy Strike for single, atm I am using with GS enchant have fun Ghrut |
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" The jewels are alright, you don't have to pick up Cry Wolf and Rallying Cry - you could but it comes with some downsides as well. The Watcher's Eye is fine; unnecessary but it's okay. 350k DPS sounds super low; this number must be incorrect. You should use the Community Fork of PoB and make sure you apply the correct settings in the config window. After you switch to the Community Fork of PoB you will see a much higher DPS with Ryslatha's, and this is because the regular PoB completely ignores the 2 unique mods in Ryslatha's. Generally you want Heavy Strike 12% enchant on Devoto's Devotion. There isn't really anything that I can spot in your character profile that requires immediate replacement. There are many choices I would call sub-optimal but depending on your budget you could live with these. I think currently your goal should be to get a 2nd Tidebreaker and maybe get Vulnerability corrupted gloves and Ryslatha's Coil and a helmet. |
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@brightwaha
thanks for the quick respone. As I am not native english maybe I expressed myself wrong, the 350dps I have inside the game looking to the dps at the GS skill, hoovering with my mouse over it. In PoB i have around 1mio, GS and 2 Mio Vaal GS with all correct conditions switch on. I have a problem with the community fork instalation, whenever I am eding correctly the .xml file at next update screen get grey and programm stopps working dont know why but I tried several times on 2 PC/Laptops with the same result, It stopps working and I have to close it with my task manager. So I cant test it Maybe I can ask a friend ingame to give me 1 for just testing the dps stats I will try that and looking for a 12% HS enchant , thanks Ghrut |
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" It's very easy to calculate the DPS bonus from Ryslatha's Coil. If you're using Tidebreaker, it's very likely your damage range is around 3. Assume a damage range of exactly 3, a Ryslatha's Coil with x% more max damage and y% less min damage brings (0.75x-0.25y)% more damage. Which means a perfectly rolled Ryslatha's with 48%/36% gives (0.75*48-0.25*36)%=27% more damage. Nothing can beat this, period. |
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"If you're paying 60c for normal jewels you're not doing it right."
"If you know what to look for" I don't understand this statement. I looked at your jewels, you're using cheap ones, so yeah, that explains why they're cheap. I'm not using cheap ones, that explains why they're at least 60c. I'm not even using the "perfect" large cluster and it was still expensive. You already said it's not a budget build, I parroted, I didn't even use the word expensive in my post. It seems like your post was more aimed at defending the build than it was responding to me. The build is fine, I'm not criticizing it, you don't need to patronize me. Last edited by driiifter#6542 on Apr 8, 2020, 6:39:52 PM
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" I have no incentive to fake advertise this build as being budget or not, and the definition of budget varies from person to person. That's why I did tell the newer player earlier that this is not a budget build. While responding to you, I for sure don't want to start a fight or anything, but I see statements that don't look entirely right to me and I just want to make the correct statements so that you or other people can make better decisions. 1. I looked at your regular jewels and those really aren't as good as the ones I am using, and those are not worth 60c. As for cluster jewels, you only have 2 cluster jewels in your character profile, the medium jewel is pretty good but the large jewel is very mediocre at the very least and very far away from being perfect. If you bought your large jewel at a high price (> 30c) it really wasn't a good purchase. It's an art to know how to broaden your search criteria, use the trade site's stats filters correctly and find the cheapest items in the game. So it's entirely true that these can indeed be the prices you saw and the prices you paid, but all I am saying is that you don't have to pay such a high price for those items, and maybe after giving your searches more thought you will end up saving a lot of currency. *If you can see my Delirium stashes under character profile and go to a stash called K or something, you can see like 20 jewels over there unused; I paid under 10c for like half of them and mostly around 20-40c for the rest, nothing higher than 1ex. 2. Regarding the argument of whether or not this build is a budget build, again, the word budget means different things to different people, and below I will describe my definitions. I think a good definition of "this is a budget build" is that it costs less than 1 exalt in total for you to be able to do red maps, and a good definition of "this is an expensive build" is that it costs more than 5 exalts for the build to even get its core unique items and otherwise it will be missing some key synergies. This build is half-way in between, and that's why I would call this build "not budget" and "not expensive" at the same time. Also another way of defining builds is along the lines of "this build can't be expensive" or "this build can be expensive". This definition in my opinion depends on how easily it is to further improve the build at a given budget. For example, a build that won't scale past like 8ex is a build that can't be expensive, and a build that still scales past like a mirror is a build that can be crazy expensive. A couple years ago, this build was like the former, you really couldn't improve the build with a higher budget at all. Now this build can scale until, idk, maybe 30ex, and that's why I am calling it "can be expensive". One great example is Ryslatha's Coil. This build doesn't need Ryslatha's Coil to function. You can beat anything with an 5c Abyss belt just fine, but a Ryslatha's Coil is a sweet upgrade you can make. So in my mind Ryslatha's Coil doesn't make this build "is expensive", but rather make this build "can be expensive". I don't expect you to fully agree on my definitions, and this is fine, but I hope at least you see my reasoning behind all these and that I didn't just make these statements out of nowhere to defend this build or something. |
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