[3.14] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, ✔️All Bosses Down, ✔️Necro, ✔️Elementalist

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orcadigital wrote:

I was wondering if I could get more information regarding cast speed, cooldowns and frenzy charges. There is a google dock floating around from several years back explaining that POB does not properly account for cooldowns and basically says frenzy charges do not make a big difference to flame golems until 9+ harmonies.

Is this still the case (POB not showing correctly)?

There is a comment to "Just remember to match cast speed to cooldown as much as possible (POB can be used here to compare values)." but I am not sure what that means.

Unlike most, I was using Carnage Chieftan spectres to get frenzy charges (as opposed to Victarios). I am not using the primordial chain, and currently have 3 spectres. I was running a Carnage Chieftan, Host Chieftan, and Arena Master (similar to as Heist league with carrions) and POB is showing something in the neighborhood of a 50% dps increase for the 3 frenzy charges (98k to 147k with Magma Ball on my POB and current build). I am surprised that POB would be that far off this many years later?

If I can move away from the chieftans and use something like Tuko Vanguards or Solaris Champions (both seem to do well with bosses as well as the ritual mechanics in small spaces) I'd prefer it, but a bit lost on what I might be losing.

Note: I am goofing off with baranite preachers so ignore the gem links on my helm. Normally its spectre, minion life, zombie and blood magic for basically 100% uptime on 3 frenzy charges).

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For elementalist build.
Why use Primorial Chain. As i understand final build should have 10 golems with the amulet and 7 without.
Primorial Chain said 35% less damage so it is 65% damage output.
2golems are not damaging . stone and chaos. So we left with 8 amd 5 flame/ice golem.
8*65 = 520%
5*100 = 500%
The gap is just 20% isnt it better to have rare amulet with +1 all fire/strength or both +2 to fire golem??? Also no golem less HP in amulet. Or the move speed os import.

Second, as we convert life regen to energy shield regen. How to recover life? Or is it just need to use flask

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Recent leagues have been quite rough on all elemental Golems. Boss HP increased so much that old DPS is very mediocre now against them and Physical minions get double DPS thank to impale being broken.

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Asian_Camgirl wrote:

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Recent leagues have been quite rough on all elemental Golems. Boss HP increased so much that old DPS is very mediocre now against them and Physical minions get double DPS thank to impale being broken.

After playing variations of your build for quite a while now, I think there are two things that will always inherently hold back flame golems from doing big dps.
1. Out of all the elemental damage types, fire seems to scale the worst for spells. Scaling physical cold damage is probably the best when it comes to increasing minion elemental dps. It also doesn't help that flame golems can't scale physical damage and utilize impale shenanigans.
2. Flame golems rely on their magma orb ability to deal their dps, but their wonky AI makes them get close to enemies and use their other two abilities which drop their dps considerably. Whereas carrion golems can just spam their physical attacks.

Unless GGG decides to buff fire scaling to be on par with cold or if they rework flame golems (or possibly nerf carrion even further), I don't think we're gonna see massive improvement in dps numbers for flame golems. It's also kind of disheartening to invest so much in jewels and gear just to watch flame golems struggle to clear bosses, when the same investment into spectres or carrion can do everything with ease.

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Thanks for that amazing build.

I have currently 5 golems only. How many golems we use max with that build and how can we get that max number.

Thanks.

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Hikara wrote:

I don't understand talent points in Shaper of Winter :/

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DrHarvey12 wrote:

I really don't know how flame golems are ever going to be able to compete.