[3.14] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, ✔️All Bosses Down, ✔️Necro, ✔️Elementalist

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allfree wrote:
"Have up to 71% block chance, 51% spell block chance" how do u achieve that with current setup ?


Hey :)

You can get :
- 25% block from shield
- 26.25% block from Bone offering
- 20% block from Rumis flask
= 71%

for physical damage and

- 15% block from shield
- 25.5% block from Bone offering
- 10% block from Rumis flask
= 50.5%

for spell damage.

You can squeese some more % by raising Bone Offerings level or having better shield.

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primordial might again broken... agressive mode dont activated


Hi :)

I have not noticed it myself in standard, but I will run some more tests to verify it!


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Hello, i am currently running your build Golemancer (Elem).

Unfortunatly, i am a bit lost... Sometime you speak about necro, sometime about elem and i have difficulties...

Atm i am playing Elem with specter + clashayper.

Would you recommand swaping to Primordial chain/Pledge of hands.

Thing i dont understand, in your build when i want to check elem skill tree you recommand to use Primordial chain/pledge of hands but before you say "recquired gear" clayshaper + shield...

+ should i only summon Flame golem or stone golem is important ? (regen and use of jewel)

Thanks in advance for your help


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Hey Lokapanda,

I think Clayshaper and Victario's charity shield are "required" in the "normal" version of the build if there is such a thing. Usually once you have played the build a few times you figure out how best you like to run flame golems. The clayshaper and Charity is good for those wanting to play it first time as it tends to be cheap and works well.

Personally this league I am running one clayshaper and then a shield that gives ES, life & res which I don't put on necro aegis. I like to be a bit tanky as delirium is quite rippy.

If you want to get the most damage out of your golems then the Pledge of hands "variant" is the way to do it. I wouldn't necessarily want to level with it due to losing the benefits of a shield in my case but you can decide that for yourself. If you can get your character tanky enough then it should be fine.

You want to use a few different golems in order to benefit most from the Primordial Harmony jewels. You get up to 20% increased damage per TYPE of golem summoned. So if you had all flame golems then each jewel would give you 20% increased damage. With one stone golem & one chaos golem and the rest flame golems each jewel gives 60% increased damage. So deciding how many different types you can have out versus how many flame golems you have out to do damage is always a bit of a juggling act.

Personally I am not using the primordial chain so I have access to 7 golems in total. I have 4 flame golems, 1 stone golem (for the life regen), one chaos golem (for the phys resist) and one lightning golem (for some extra cast speed and it is also really good at keeping feeding frenzy activated). I tend to find if you have less then 4 flame golems your clear starts to suffer. Obviously you can have more flame golems if you prefer and if you run the primordial chain then you might want 5 or 6.

Mika will be along soon and he'll straighten you out on any questions you have. I thought I would just post a bit of advice till he does but basically your gear looks fine. I would carry on as you are until you decide how you want to build them going forward. Just get some more primordial harmonies as they always tend to be a good investment if you have space for them on your tree.


Hey :)

Excellent answer already!

Yep, Necro is the default setup so most of the guide and leveling part is about that variant. Elementalist is meant to be more like extra for players who have already played Necro, or start to level as Necro for first time as it's quite easy to swap variants and most gear is same.

I like going for Primordial Chain to get maximum amount of projectiles, but running some other amulet works also and Golems will be quite a lot tankier.

I like to do Flame Golems + Stone + Chaos myself for maximal defense benefits and still have very fast clear, but feel free to experiment with different ratios.

Default Necromancer has best defenses, while Elementalist has more damage and immunities. If you want more damage, try out different amount of Golem types and add more Harmonies. If you want more defense, try clayshaper + Shield or swapping to Necro for even more block chance.


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I have run the Pledge + Primordial Chain version for few days and I decide to get back to the normal version.

Here's my feel while the Pledge + Chain Version.

I get can get nice Phy Reduce and Regen from golem and I have fast clear speed.

However, I don't invest so much into the minion defense, delirium monster can kill the golems easily because of the less life in Primordial Chain. My golems have high chance to die in the delirium encounter and it's hard to keep survive and resummon the golem.

I think the other reason that my golems get killed easily is because I don't have quality on my golem gem and I don't have a 6L for higher level golem. So, I decide to changed back to a normal version and try the Pledge of Hand version until I get a golem gem with quality and 6L for the Pledge.


Hello :)

Golems really can die fast with Elementalist if you dont have extra levels or quality on them.

You can try running Bone Offering to give them block chance as they are already immune to elemental damage.

Also replacing some damage support with Empower is very effective if you can get at least lvl 3 Empower.

For support Golems I would try to get +2/+3 minion level helmet with maybe minion life support and lvl 3 Empower.
[3.12] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, All Bosses Down, Necro, Elementalist
https://tinyurl.com/y8k9fa2f
Would u think Storm Burst could be a viable substitute for Winter Orb ?

I like the ability to stand back (Im in HC) and still proc EE as its a lightning skill...

Going Elementalist as I like GOlems and will probably run 4 flame, 1 chaos, 1 stone , at least until I can afford the Primordial Chain ...
In game since Minotaur League..
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Hellzwraith wrote:
Would u think Storm Burst could be a viable substitute for Winter Orb ?

I like the ability to stand back (Im in HC) and still proc EE as its a lightning skill...

Going Elementalist as I like GOlems and will probably run 4 flame, 1 chaos, 1 stone , at least until I can afford the Primordial Chain ...


Storm Burst is fine. I'm actually pretty sure before Winter Orb came out it was the default for the build.
Going to give this a go as I am just getting into the league, if anyone has any low level items they grew out of and don't need, please let me know! My first league char was a dud lol.
Hey Mika,

Build is coming together pretty nicely now.

Spoiler


Should get to around 9k EHP at level 90 (and once I unlock the quality crafts for armour). Also will have 45% chance to block attacks, 65% chance to evade and around 15k Armour with flasks that I can also use to pump into a Vaal Molten shell. Currently at 30% chaos res but once I hit lvl 20 on my phase run and can flip it I can lose a couple of crafts to get and extra 30% or so. It's actually reasonably tanky even now providing I don't stand in anything really silly for too long!!

Still running a budget MF setup which I'll keep going for a bit. Once Presence and other gear gets cheaper I might turn it into something that I feel can stand against the tougher delirium encounters without getting wrecked but for now in yellow maps it's holding it's own as is.

How has your testing been going with the new Spectre options? Found anything decent yet that can take the place of TV's? I'm not running Spectres atm but might do if you find something really good!!!

Hope you are well :)
Last edited by DrHarvey12#0114 on Mar 18, 2020, 4:39:38 PM
Hello, ty for your previous answers.
I am currently elem golemancer (lvl 89) and feel a bit weak.

I would like your though about :
-Using convocation as an active skill (on ring)
-Remplacing Convocation by a guard skill on shield?

+ I am not sure about the utility of Bone offering with Elem cause : Golem never die without it (or close to never) and spectre still die. Do you have an alternate idea? + it's not apply to me (while i would like to grind 100)

I feel like convocation has to bee selfcast on Delirium cause golems tend to stay to far from me.

Which guard skill would you recommand?

Thank you
Last edited by LOKAPANDA#1310 on Mar 19, 2020, 10:44:07 AM
Hi!

With the changes to the mana flasks recommended, should we still using those?

Ty!!
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LOKAPANDA wrote:
Hello, ty for your previous answers.
I am currently elem golemancer (lvl 89) and feel a bit weak.


Hey LokaPanda,

Just had a quick look at your gear and tree. It looks as though you don't have Necromantic Aegis allocated. Necromantic Aegis is a CORE part of the build when you are using Victario's Charity shield and so it does need to be allocated.

If you haven't been using Necromantic Aegis then you should definitely see an improvement although you will lose some chaos res, lightning res and life. It looks as though you are overcapped res wise by the amounts on the Victario's Charity so have you un-allocated Necro Aegis for some reason?

Also since you are using Skin of the Loyal that really requires you to have as much ES on gear everywhere you can. You current pieces have fairly low ES amounts so look to get a bit more on each piece as and when funds allow. You gloves seem pretty good though - you shouldn't need to change them IMO.

Also, your flasks seem a bit weird. 3 life flasks, a silver flask and a mana flask isn't doing a lot for you defensively. I'd swap at least two of the life flasks for a granite / Basalt flask and a jade flask. The silver flask also isn't doing much for you. A quicksilver flask would be better to help you move a bit faster.

Otherwise your gear looks ok. Good job on capping your chaos res!!

In relation to Spectre deaths then it is possible to get a helmet with Minion Life, Minion Damage and + levels. That will make them tankier at the cost of some damage. You can add Burning Damage on top but then I expect things will get VERY pricey!

Last edited by DrHarvey12#0114 on Mar 19, 2020, 2:41:30 PM
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Hellzwraith wrote:
Would u think Storm Burst could be a viable substitute for Winter Orb ?

I like the ability to stand back (Im in HC) and still proc EE as its a lightning skill...

Going Elementalist as I like GOlems and will probably run 4 flame, 1 chaos, 1 stone , at least until I can afford the Primordial Chain ...


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Storm Burst is fine. I'm actually pretty sure before Winter Orb came out it was the default for the build.


Hello :)

Yes, Storm burst is viable. It hits right away, but has less AOE as it wont shoot around you and not after you release it. It's however next best skill to trigger cast when channeling.



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Going to give this a go as I am just getting into the league, if anyone has any low level items they grew out of and don't need, please let me know! My first league char was a dud lol.


Hi :)

Great to hear you will be joining the Golemanders. There are slots in the guild if you interested as we have over 100+ Golemancers and guild stash for off Golemancer leveling gear.


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Hey Mika,

Build is coming together pretty nicely now.

Should get to around 9k EHP at level 90 (and once I unlock the quality crafts for armour). Also will have 45% chance to block attacks, 65% chance to evade and around 15k Armour with flasks that I can also use to pump into a Vaal Molten shell. Currently at 30% chaos res but once I hit lvl 20 on my phase run and can flip it I can lose a couple of crafts to get and extra 30% or so. It's actually reasonably tanky even now providing I don't stand in anything really silly for too long!!

Still running a budget MF setup which I'll keep going for a bit. Once Presence and other gear gets cheaper I might turn it into something that I feel can stand against the tougher delirium encounters without getting wrecked but for now in yellow maps it's holding it's own as is.

How has your testing been going with the new Spectre options? Found anything decent yet that can take the place of TV's? I'm not running Spectres atm but might do if you find something really good!!!

Hope you are well :)


Hi :)

Glad to hear that you are doing well in the league!

9k sounds pretty beefy at your level, but from what I heard about leagues damage it all comes to use. Stacking armor sounds very reasonable and I will propably try it in the future as physical damage is most dangerous thing for the build atm.

I had recenly long work hours, so not much time to test yet. However it will hopefully get easier soon :) I keep hearing about the lions Specs from the Delve, so prob first testing those.


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Hello, ty for your previous answers.
I am currently elem golemancer (lvl 89) and feel a bit weak.

I would like your though about :
-Using convocation as an active skill (on ring)
-Remplacing Convocation by a guard skill on shield?

+ I am not sure about the utility of Bone offering with Elem cause : Golem never die without it (or close to never) and spectre still die. Do you have an alternate idea? + it's not apply to me (while i would like to grind 100)

I feel like convocation has to bee selfcast on Delirium cause golems tend to stay to far from me.

Which guard skill would you recommand?

Thank you


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Hey LokaPanda,

Just had a quick look at your gear and tree. It looks as though you don't have Necromantic Aegis allocated. Necromantic Aegis is a CORE part of the build when you are using Victario's Charity shield and so it does need to be allocated.

If you haven't been using Necromantic Aegis then you should definitely see an improvement although you will lose some chaos res, lightning res and life. It looks as though you are overcapped res wise by the amounts on the Victario's Charity so have you un-allocated Necro Aegis for some reason?

Also since you are using Skin of the Loyal that really requires you to have as much ES on gear everywhere you can. You current pieces have fairly low ES amounts so look to get a bit more on each piece as and when funds allow. You gloves seem pretty good though - you shouldn't need to change them IMO.

Also, your flasks seem a bit weird. 3 life flasks, a silver flask and a mana flask isn't doing a lot for you defensively. I'd swap at least two of the life flasks for a granite / Basalt flask and a jade flask. The silver flask also isn't doing much for you. A quicksilver flask would be better to help you move a bit faster.

Otherwise your gear looks ok. Good job on capping your chaos res!!

In relation to Spectre deaths then it is possible to get a helmet with Minion Life, Minion Damage and + levels. That will make them tankier at the cost of some damage. You can add Burning Damage on top but then I expect things will get VERY pricey!


Hey :)

Yep, with default setup you use :
- Energy shield -shield
- Bone Offering
- No Necro Aegis

to max your own block chance

with Necro Aegis setup you use :
- Victarios charity -shield
- Flesh Offering
- Necro Aegis

to max minions damage.

I also recommend upping the ES values in your gear for the Skin of the Loyal. Rings, belt, gloves and boots are very important source of ES.

Convocation could be self cast if it will help to save you. You can also try using Zombies as meatshield and place one abyssal jewel with minion have chance to taunt / blind in it to increase defenses.

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Hi!

With the changes to the mana flasks recommended, should we still using those?

Ty!!


Hello :)

They are still pretty nice to use. Especially the curse immune flask is nice in Temp Chains maps ;)
[3.12] Flame Golem 101 - Complete Guide To Golemancy, All Bosses Down, Necro, Elementalist
https://tinyurl.com/y8k9fa2f
Thank you for your prompt reply!

I another doubt for everyone xD, in this league what do you think is better to have, Tukohama Vanguards or Solar Guards?

Also, For the Skill gem Storm Brand says lvl 1 and in the guide here lvl 8, which one is correct?

Best annointment is GOLEM COMMANDER?

And for last, is the Bisco's Collar good to start faming at maps?

I'm playing DEFAULT NECROMANCER FOR COMPARISON

Ty!!
Last edited by Sanfear#6892 on Mar 20, 2020, 3:07:43 PM

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