[3.17] For Slayer / Champion - Ngamahu Cyclone / Consecrated Path / Tectonic Slam

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EZMFPZ wrote:

My favourite part is where you're trying to blame the build for your sub standard skill cap.

Do the school holidays finish soon?

While the build itself is very good and well written and it is totally clear that Cyclone is the best way to proc the molten burst and get the most benefit from the axe, @Ericpwn is right about cyclone being sometimes a piece of shit. Its not a problem about the build, its a problem with cyclone. It has nothing to do with player skills that cyclone can be really annoying to use sometimes.

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Reindeer_Jesus wrote:

obviously i never had currency for 6link nor flasks. anyway im willing to listen offers.

I can feel your pain. But why stop playing this game? An already 6-linked Carcass is available for 350 chaos. Just grab it. Another tip: Buy a unlinked Carcass jack for a couple of chaos. 6 socket it manually (after applying quality) and then begin to fuse it. Stop when your item is 5-linked, sell the 5-link with a small loss and repeat the process until you get your 6-link. But as i said: In case of something that common like carcass Jack: Simply grab an already linked one.

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Voerman wrote:

While I am already asking questions. Why exactly do we pick up Point Blank + Iron Grip? Because neither of those seem to add any DPS to, well, anything.

Both are only affecting the molten burst that gets procced by the axe. You need to have a look onto the DPS of molten burst, not cyclone

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Sollkomol wrote:

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Reindeer_Jesus wrote:

obviously i never had currency for 6link nor flasks. anyway im willing to listen offers.

I can feel your pain. But why stop playing this game? An already 6-linked Carcass is available for 350 chaos. Just grab it. Another tip: Buy a unlinked Carcass jack for a couple of chaos. 6 socket it manually (after applying quality) and then begin to fuse it. Stop when your item is 5-linked, sell the 5-link with a small loss and repeat the process until you get your 6-link. But as i said: In case of something that common like carcass Jack: Simply grab an already linked one.

well i cant play with my friends in guild anymore because they farm high level maps, i try farm currency to able to play high level maps. while they (just an example) one got fated connection prophecy on 1st week, another 6linked 3 different items using about 300 fuses etc. etc. im falling too much behind, and that if something is really demotivating if the RNG decides you are not able to play with friends anymore. while my tries so far have been following:

bought daresso's defiance, 6 socket it, so far used 478 fuses = 2times 5link.
bought bronn's lithe (which i would try in this build) ,6socket it, so far 1103 fuses used = 5link 7times. (thats just few examples, in this league i have used over 2.3k fuses to try 6link stuff)

i know yes i should stop trying it, but after i realised its not gonna happen i just want to try how much it would take. like said i NEVER 6linked anything in 4 different leagues so with over 10k fuses used so...

thanks for tip thou, maybe next league i try that 5link sell 5link sell until get 6link (if ever) method. if i decide to give this game another chance.

... or do it like a friend of mine who played selffound since the beginning - use Vorici. It's not that bad, 1200 is the statical average, so the 1500 is only a 300 premium but without risk.

He has the bad random number generator problem, too.

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Voerman wrote:

While I am already asking questions. Why exactly do we pick up Point Blank + Iron Grip? Because neither of those seem to add any DPS to, well, anything.

What @Sollkomol said. Iron Grip and Point Blank are meant for Molten Burst which is where your bulk of damage is coming from. :)

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Sollkomol wrote:

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EZMFPZ wrote:

My favourite part is where you're trying to blame the build for your sub standard skill cap.

Do the school holidays finish soon?

While the build itself is very good and well written and it is totally clear that Cyclone is the best way to proc the molten burst and get the most benefit from the axe, @Ericpwn is right about cyclone being sometimes a piece of shit. Its not a problem about the build, its a problem with cyclone. It has nothing to do with player skills that cyclone can be really annoying to use sometimes.

There is a way to prevent obstacle from stopping your Cyclone. This is what I do and I never die from a stuck situation:

- Bind Cyclone skill to a skill key (in my case, I use W for Cyclone)
- Bind movement (foot icon) to Left Mouse Button
- Press and hold W to cyclone
- Keep mouse cursor near to your character as you cyclone
- Left click on the location that you want to cyclone to (repeat this step)

Doing the above, even if there is an obstacle ahead of you, you will be able to Cyclone around it.

First of all, i've never died because of cyclone being shitty sometimes ;-) i just wanted to point out that cyclone has mechanically some problems. However, as always i am using my main skill with left mouse button while holding shift. I recently had also the idea that this might be not the best for cyclone, but never tried a different setup. I appreciate your tip and will look if it will give me a better feeling.

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Sollkomol wrote:

First of all, i've never died because of cyclone being shitty sometimes ;-) i just wanted to point out that cyclone has mechanically some problems. However, as always i am using my main skill with left mouse button while holding shift. I recently had also the idea that this might be not the best for cyclone, but never tried a different setup. I appreciate your tip and will look if it will give me a better feeling.

Ah I see. I have to agree that Cyclone mechanic does need some working. Especially the part where you should stop cyclone when you let go of the skill button. I hate this the most. I mean if Blade Flurry stop channeling when you let go the skill button, why can't Cyclone?

Yeah cyclone can be sticky.

Once you get the hang of it though it's no problem.

I have cyclone bound to RMB and move only bound to LMB, just quickly toggling between the two whenever i get into a sticky part helps a TON because move only does know how to go around objects. Eventually it just becomes muscle memory and its quite a good skill even indoors. I mean i'm only hitting move only for a split second at a time if its needed. most of the time i'm just holing down RMB. IF you get really stuck on something leap slam gets out of those.

Current gear:


Build is working out well, farming t11s-t15s just fine. Occasionally die to nasty things in the T14+ stuff. Normal atziri is a breeze. Uber lab is a breeze. Haven't tried any guardians or shaper or uber atziri yet. With ~6k life I'm skeptical of this build's ability to clear some of the higher content.

With wise oak up I have 60% fire pen on cyclone and 87% pen on molten burst proc. My tooltips aren't that great (posted below). But the build seems like it does way more than the tooltip says because of the firepen. Bosses in the maps I'm farming are dying in like a second.

All in all this was a fun build to play this league. Going to try making a raider version of this for faster clear speed.

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