[3.17] For Slayer / Champion - Ngamahu Cyclone / Consecrated Path / Tectonic Slam

Do you guys use iron reflexes?

Personally, im using iron reflexes because getting 1 shot by Izaro by not evading is not my cup of tea.

I also run a decoy totem, and not ancestral warchief. I have noticed this build is a little fragile around hard hitting mobs and so the armor + decoy seems to be doing me justice. I've found running enfeeble instead of flammability is much much better. You already have at least 70% fire penetration from everything, flammability just seems a tad overkill - I'd rather not die in one hit ;)

On that note, im also not running vaal pact because I feel that it isnt quite necessary. When using lion's roar and wise oak in succession, it pretty much makes everything die quick on t13+ maps anyway. With my current setup, you still need to kite just a bit on some bosses like Argus otherwise you will get mowed down by his berserk.

I'm still enjoying the build though.

edit - I plan on switching from iron reflexes when I get better pure armor bases and then replaces bronn's with belly to maximize survive-ability for guardians/shaper

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JrFryta wrote:

just what to add a little thing that makes EO proc like crazy with little to no gear invested into crit chance.

I have almost 100% uptime on EO and I'm at 12.1% crit chance with this enchant

That is right. Recommended boots enchantment for EO skill tree is 120% crit chance if you have not crit recently. It provides huge uptime for EO.

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fguven16 wrote:

Hi I am playing this build 2 days. I played ngahamu 2.6 and 3.0. I want to try Shrouding of Lightless Cast on Melee Kill + Cremation version.

My gears,

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I want to ask which one is the better (damage,fun,map) 5 or 6 link Belly and 5 link Shrouding of Lightless ?

and which items should i upgrade ? Thank you

Double resistance penetration from Shroud should be better for Cremation setup but Belly is capable of providing the same fun at a lower damage.

You can consider getting Impresence amulet as it is a better amulet than Carnage Heart for Avatar of Fire skill tree.

On flask setup, check out the budget flask. They provide better synergy for the build.

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GreyGold wrote:

Tell me how to get more damage in my bild, and point out my mistakes.

20% quality your gems and using Opal rings will improve your damage. Your jewels can be upgraded too to provide more damage.

And lastly, 6L your Bronn. The 6th link will provide 40% more damage.

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MistaFuu wrote:

Noob question...

Can someone explain to me the difference between "attacks" and "axe attacks"? Can we double dip on the rolls like below?

Attacks work for all weapons (melee and bow), whereas axe attacks only work for weapon type of axe.

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Wirblewind wrote:

Didn't answer my question though.. I'm asking which gems should i quality first? the cyclone gems or the gems in the nagamu

Check out the FAQ section. The answer lies within. :)

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dyNa1337 wrote:

Hi guys, really enjoying this build so far.

Just 1 question to double-check:

you can only play the ignite version of this when you got xophs, correct?

You can play with either version. Xoph's Blood mainly provide you more damage. Personally I run ignite on my axe and damage on Cyclone.

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cenleegame01 wrote:

first time solo uber lab at level 78 - 4k1 hp, thanks for build!

You are most welcome. :)

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elbowndg wrote:

Hello,

I made this build as my first build in this game (played once few years ago so i dont count it)
I tried to made Uber Lab but i cant do it solo even on level 89 :/
What im doing wrong?
Here is my full items build:

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Here are my offence stats with lightning golem in hideout:

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And defence in hideout:

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What should i do now with this build? What to change?
Maybe im using bad gems or something?
Im playing on abyss, at this moment i collect 150c + 1ex so i have some currency for changes. Really need help cause game is getting boring becouse i cant do anything alone, uber atziri 1 hit me in first room ;/

And im using this skill tree: https://pastebin.com/Hqs1pDGX

Recommended life pool to do Uber lab comfortably is 5500. Especially if you are not well versed in Uber lab running.

Replace Sibyl with a high life roll rare ring. You no longer need Sibyl ring in 3.1 due to the single elemental reflect change of mobs.

You can also replace your Carnage Heart amulet to something simliar to this:


On handling Uber Izaro, check out the FAQ section. :)

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FrostyJesus wrote:

Why no Vaal Pact? I feel slayer synergizes too well to not take it.

Vaal Pact is not required but if you feel you are lacking in leech, you can certainly pick it up.

For leveling, I recommend running Enfeeble curse as it helps greatly in improving your survivability.

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jhayeehl wrote:

Do you guys use iron reflexes?

Check FAQ for answer. ;)

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Jkurs wrote:

With my current setup, you still need to kite just a bit on some bosses like Argus otherwise you will get mowed down by his berserk.

I'm still enjoying the build though.

edit - I plan on switching from iron reflexes when I get better pure armor bases and then replaces bronn's with belly to maximize survive-ability for guardians/shaper

If you have Lion's Roar, pop it and push Argus to the walls. He won't be able to perform much of his attacks on you and he gets taken out fast using this approach.

Enfeeble is great against guardians and you can use Hatred (instead of curse) vs Shaper for more damage.

For Shaper, 6000 life and 3000 armor is the toughness you want to aim for.

Thanks for your reply!
Ill do things you told me ;)
Thanks for the advicre about ring i didnt know that...

Would be nice if you can check gems what i use, maybe i have mistake there also, im not sure about my chest gems. Can you tell me what next i shoul change? Earn for better armor or maybe xoph or maybe something else will be better at this time?

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Jkurs wrote:

Personally, im using iron reflexes because getting 1 shot by Izaro by not evading is not my cup of tea.

I also run a decoy totem, and not ancestral warchief. I have noticed this build is a little fragile around hard hitting mobs and so the armor + decoy seems to be doing me justice. I've found running enfeeble instead of flammability is much much better. You already have at least 70% fire penetration from everything, flammability just seems a tad overkill - I'd rather not die in one hit ;)

On that note, im also not running vaal pact because I feel that it isnt quite necessary. When using lion's roar and wise oak in succession, it pretty much makes everything die quick on t13+ maps anyway. With my current setup, you still need to kite just a bit on some bosses like Argus otherwise you will get mowed down by his berserk.

I'm still enjoying the build though.

edit - I plan on switching from iron reflexes when I get better pure armor bases and then replaces bronn's with belly to maximize survive-ability for guardians/shaper

You're missing a ton of life on your gear tho. What are you running at, like 4.5k? Everything kills you at T13+ even some bosses at T10 can hit hard. With all your ducks in a row, you should be around 7k at your hero level, which is plenty to absorb all but the hardest hits even at T16+.

Also what's up with your gloves? If you're broke but need gloves for the build, just grab a pair of Snakebites. They are cheap, have decent life on them and will produce way more damage than Sadiman's. They also give you about 300 evasion (which will be converted to armor).

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kira1414 wrote:

Enfeeble is great against guardians and you can use Hatred (instead of curse) vs Shaper for more damage.

For Shaper, 6000 life and 3000 armor is the toughness you want to aim for.

I just want to echo how bad Flammability is for bosses, or all curses in general. GGG changed the way they stack but most big bosses have like 80% reduce curse effectiveness, so your curse isn't doing much of anything. You're way better off running something that gives you straight boost or something that helps your defenses.

I just got impresence, what should I drop for Anger? Also should I not be using the Avatar of Fire skill tree at this point? Or do I also need Watcher's Eye before dropping Avatar of Fire from tree?

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kira1414 wrote:

Enfeeble is great against guardians and you can use Hatred (instead of curse) vs Shaper for more damage.

For Shaper, 6000 life and 3000 armor is the toughness you want to aim for.

I just want to echo how bad Flammability is for bosses, or all curses in general. GGG changed the way they stack but most big bosses have like 80% reduce curse effectiveness, so your curse isn't doing much of anything. You're way better off running something that gives you straight boost or something that helps your defenses.

If curses are bad against bosses what would you change the 4L into?

Blasphemy - Flammability becomes what?

Trash dies quick enough for me, more boss damage would always be great tho.

Hey guys, just done uber lab, took a while for me, this is the first build i've ever played that has been able to do it without much trouble, currenctly at 4.9k life and 2k armor.

Been having some troubles heading into the late game tho, xophs blood is just impossible to get for now and im still running my cyclone on a 4L bronn.

Wanted to ask you guys how the heck do u get the off colors on the bronns lithe chestpiece? This is the main thing keeping me from diving too much into the end game for now, but as I said, uber lab was no problem.

Also, intellect has been an issue for me, I'm stuck with a shitty neck that gives me 40 int and I can't replace it. What to do?

Thx for making the build its really fun!

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xault wrote:

I've been following this build for a few leagues. Here what pieced together from this thread from other posters characters here.

Gear

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Level 85 tree.

I don't have the greatest flask setup at them moment. Done up to t12 maps, Uber Labs, normal Atziri and Lich, all very fast and easy. I am gonna try some T13-15 tonight, maybe even Mino after I get some more Armour nodes and fix my flask setup.

I mainly wanted to try the new items with Ngamahu Cyclone build, and it's been a ton of fun. Movement speed from the normal setup is really the only thing I miss.

Mainly looking for any tips or ideas to min-max my current setup from people that are much better than me at the numbers game. My next few skill points are gonna go into Armour nodes I think.


Dps with only on Herald of Ash on

Molten Burst 8,448.5
Cyclone 41,750
Spirit Burst 2,125

Defense

Armour 3,895
HP 5,500

Thanks.

Nice gears you have over there. You can roll flat physical damage on your Spirit Circle ring.

I would suggest you to recolor your chest to 2R2B1G so that you can run:

Cyclone + Melee Physical + Elemental Damage with Attacks + Elemental Focus + Concentrated

That should greatly increase your Cyclone damage.

The draw back with the above setup is that you lose permanent Fortify and you have to link this gem to Leap Slam in order to proc fortify but the damage from it is really huge.

I see that you have picked Vaal Pact on the skill tree, have you try running the build without Vaal Pact?

I've given up Vaal Pack, I mainly had it because I needed a 10 dex node for a bit. So I figured I may as well try it out.

I am not sure how I can roll flat physical damage on my ring. I've tried it with my benches, I am guessing I need the Master to be high level.

I did what you said with my chest, went 2R2B1G and my Cyclone damage went from 41,750 to 84,627. So thanks a lot for that.

I couldn't bring my self to use fort on leap, I didn't like the feel of it, if that makes any sense. With getting Iron Reflexes and some changes I am sitting at 5879 Armour and 5860 HP. In two more levels I think I can break 6k in each. Which should be enough life and Armour, I think. I am hoping with more Armour I can live without Fort. I seem to be doing good on the t13-14 maps without dying at the moment. I was kind of thinking of dropping Flammability for Enfeeble if taking damage really becomes a problem. Or just keep Fort and add it too Leap when needed. I'd like to hear what you think or anyone else about that.



Question about my Helmet. The 4 extra Projectiles look great on screen and all but I am thinking of dropping GMP from it and using Lighting Golem. I don't think the GMP is really doing much for me. Spirit Burst only does 2,166 damage as it is. That stocket as been feeling like a wast a bit, I could maybe even get off of my Unset ring and go after the Element Damage rings. Replacing GMP with Herald of Ash. Suggests for this issue would be great.
Thanks everyone.