[2.6] SignalShot™ CI Full Ele Conversion TS/Barrage / Shaper & Uber Deathless / with video!

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Aevykin wrote:

Oh yeah its 30% I totally forgot. And I see, you're talking about the Winter Spirit Node. Nice! I actually bought a 32% +1 Signal Fire on Legacy that I'm wait to get rolled over, so I could still run this set up of having Phys to Light Vinktar + Winter Spirit and have a free'd up link in my Barrage, sweet!

Isn't this a better set up overall than the one BlastingCap suggests of using PTL?

By just swapping versions of vinktar and 3 points on the tree you could have an increased critical strikes gem instead of an extra 29% of physical as lightning.

Maybe with Brood Twine with 9.4% crit inc crit isn't needed, but surely useful with ROTC.

worth to test, tell us the results.

p2l is also adds very good portion of light damage besides its conversion mechanic. i tried to ICS before, but i didnt get very different results with brood twine.

So after reading Mystryl and Rupenus' comments, it seems to me that the absolute most endgame version of this wouldn't actually use Signal Fire.

You'd use Physical to Lightning (50% to light), with Phys to Lightning Vinktar (30% to light, after flask effects), and Winter Spirit (20% to cold), getting 80% total to light and 20% to cold. Then of course you'd have a free quiver slot, which is where Rayamns 8 mirror quiver would come in. Kappa. But no really, that would probably be the best possible set up.

Ladies and Gents, I introduce to you all, the next version of SignalShot - RareQuiverShot.

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Aevykin wrote:

So after reading Mystryl and Rupenus' comments, it seems to me that the absolute most endgame version of this wouldn't actually use Signal Fire.

You'd use Physical to Lightning (50% to light), with Phys to Lightning Vinktar (30% to light, after flask effects), and Winter Spirit (20% to cold), getting 80% total to light and 20% to cold. Then of course you'd have a free quiver slot, which is where Rayamns 8 mirror quiver would come in. Kappa. But no really, that would probably be the best possible set up.

Ladies and Gents, I introduce to you all, the next version of SignalShot - RareQuiverShot.

my quiver gives exactly 10% less dps than skalpo's mirrored quiver, and that difference is mostly because of lack of critical chance which with good gear you get 95% while diamond flask is on. assuming +1 arrow is 11% more damage, i thinj that quiver is one of the best quivers in the game, maybe even the best for life builds.

you dont need such quiver though, there are lots of spike point +1 quivers which can give you almost asme dps 4%-5% less... maybe? thats all.

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Aevykin wrote:

So after reading Mystryl and Rupenus' comments, it seems to me that the absolute most endgame version of this wouldn't actually use Signal Fire.

You'd use Physical to Lightning (50% to light), with Phys to Lightning Vinktar (30% to light, after flask effects), and Winter Spirit (20% to cold), getting 80% total to light and 20% to cold. Then of course you'd have a free quiver slot, which is where Rayamns 8 mirror quiver would come in. Kappa. But no really, that would probably be the best possible set up.

Ladies and Gents, I introduce to you all, the next version of SignalShot - RareQuiverShot.

Are you sure this is the highest dps version? I did a quick test in-game, comparing a 34% Signal Fire to a legacy crit multi Quiver. Since I don't have a mirrored quiver, I compared the numbers by removing my high dps ring when Signal Fire was equipped, since my ring + quiver is a little more dps than a mirrored quiver. The Signal Fire version was still pulling ahead - not by much in terms of tooltip, but the +1 arrow sealed the deal. Perhaps there are some +1 legacy quivers that could challenge Signal Fire, but they will effectively be unique quivers that no one else can copy.

The thing to be careful about is that rare quivers give stats that go into high diminishing returns, while Signal Fire gives stats at fairly low diminishing returns. Gaining an extra arrow gives a 1.1 multiplier to damage (since we go from 10 to 11 arrows on Barrage with a Harbinger) and gaining 35% extra damage as fire damage, in my set-up at least, translates into moving from a 71% multiplier to damage (from Hatred and HoA with Influence wheel taken on tree, and Hysteria Ring) to 106% multiplier for a 35% Signal Fire. In my version of the build I scale physical damage hard, so I get a lot out of gaining elemental damage from physical damage.

There are also some other minor losses to dps, such as spending 3 passives to get the cold conversion, and losing 15% lightning penetration from the penetration vinktar. 3 passives usually means losing a jewel slot or its equivalent, which means losing, typically, +25% or more to damage and +12% or more to attack speed.

I would imagine, however, that rare legacy quivers (or perhaps GG non-legacy quivers) would do a lot more for Opus versions of the build than Signal Fire, since gaining elemental damage from physical damage would not be as good on a low pdps bow.

according to the pob tests, 35% signal fire wins against the best existing rare quivers by like 1%(ray and i have very similar ones dpswise, his is like 1k dps better in 300k tooltip),

only in case where you use double vinktars, one with conversion and pen, rare quivers win.

so yeah, 35% signal fire is still king,

rare quivers have better tooltip but 15% pen brings the difference between rares and signal fire.

i can share the pob results the enthusiastic followers of the guide.

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Rupenus wrote:

according to the pob tests, 35% signal fire wins against the best existing rare quivers by like 1%(ray and i have very similar ones dpswise, his is like 1k dps better in 300k tooltip),

only in case where you use double vinktars, one with conversion and pen, rare quivers win.

so yeah, 35% signal fire is still king,

rare quivers have better tooltip but 15% pen brings the difference between rares and signal fire.

i can share the pob results the enthusiastic followers of the guide.

With harb or Opus?

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stred_ wrote:

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Rupenus wrote:

according to the pob tests, 35% signal fire wins against the best existing rare quivers by like 1%(ray and i have very similar ones dpswise, his is like 1k dps better in 300k tooltip),

only in case where you use double vinktars, one with conversion and pen, rare quivers win.

so yeah, 35% signal fire is still king,

rare quivers have better tooltip but 15% pen brings the difference between rares and signal fire.

i can share the pob results the enthusiastic followers of the guide.

With harb or Opus?

as diceman said, for opus rare quivers might work better, if you show me an item in the market, i can run the tests for you.

i did the tests for brood twine.

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Rupenus wrote:

as diceman said, for opus rare quivers might work better, if you show me an item in the market, i can run the tests for you.

i did the tests for brood twine.

For my Opus p.e.?

Yeah I came to the same conclusion after playing around with path of building. I went with a rare quiver in the end because I didn't feel like paying 90ex for a pen vinktars when I already had a conversion one and I found for 14ex.

Hi, nice build, level 77 so far and its clearing great.

I got a question, how do you have enough mana after reserving Hatred, HOI and Discipline? I'm using the same Level 4 and level 3 Enlighten setup but i only have 32 mana left after reserving, can't really spam TS when the attack speed gets faster