2.4.0 PvP

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1Tokimeki2003 wrote:

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Simplesim45 wrote:

"Fireball: 50% more damage."

Well, cya magma orb, hello fireball!

Markus is going to hit like a mother fucking train.

I already retired that char btw, even recolored my chest, but I guess I should check out it then.

Guess my Ice Spear didn't leave much of an impression back in 1.3, I might give it another go. Who knows, maybe it'll give me a bit more range!

FW interaction is a nerf to ea but not so much as compared to is, la and kb because of the innate explosion radius of ea. Honestly, EA will still be pretty op in 1v1 arena as long as you max aoe on ur tree and items, i think guts has the most aoe (160% i think? with the carcass jack). I just die instantly if I misstep once.
Aside from the fw nerf, ea needs more adjustment, its T value and base radius are much needed change for a balanced pvp. Please, I play ea and I hate it, its boring as fuck.
Overall, its a good patch for pvp

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Jimicui wrote:

FW interaction is a nerf to ea but not so much as compared to is, la and kb because of the innate explosion radius of ea. Honestly, EA will still be pretty op in 1v1 arena as long as you max aoe on ur tree and items, i think guts has the most aoe (160% i think? with the carcass jack). I just die instantly if I misstep once.
Aside from the fw nerf, ea needs more adjustment, its T value and base radius are much needed change for a balanced pvp. Please, I play ea and I hate it, its boring as fuck.
Overall, its a good patch for pvp

Wallspam and shotgun should be removed completely, then it could even see a buff in damage for 5-stacking singletarget.

You're the man Jimi. Tell it like it is. AoE'd out EA is the most fucktarded shit.

I exchanged several emails with Chris for a little bit today about the AA debacle and the next round of T-value/PVP damage adjustments. Blade Vortex, bear trap, HoT, SRS Chaos clouds, and really all secondary damages is what I concentrated on, and he seemed quite receptive. He said he'll make sure the team sees my list.

I'm hoping they can sneak t-values in during staggered patches, but I'm not holding my breath until anytime before December depending on how many problems they see in the new league.

FINGERS CROSSED

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Simplesim45 wrote:

"Fireball: 50% more damage."

Well, cya magma orb, hello fireball!

Ha you were using Magma Orb?

Jimi I've been saying that for like...ever. Here's a piece from the balance thread started months ago for instance.

"This skill should do pre nerf single target damage. It should require and reward a player that can aim + stack fuses to a target (player, not object). While still retaining it's unique wall explosion mechanics just at a nerfed damage ratio, another 25-30% reduction at the very least. After constant nerfs to the wrong area of this skill it is straight garbage if used in any way but spraying walls. This situation should be the exact opposite of what we currently have. You should also look into how buggy it is at elevation. You can find sweet spots on maps where you can instantly create the secondary damage, this is abused often especially in the smallish/cramped PvP queue arenas. Otherwise mechanically I'd leave it alone."

That's all EA needs, to literally be reversed in purpose.

ya you can see a bit of it here (his magma orb hehe)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuRO9Rb6S-U

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MullaXul wrote:

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Simplesim45 wrote:

"Fireball: 50% more damage."

Well, cya magma orb, hello fireball!

Ha you were using Magma Orb?

Jimi I've been saying that for like...ever. Here's a piece from the balance thread started months ago for instance.

"This skill should do pre nerf single target damage. It should require and reward a player that can aim + stack fuses to a target (player, not object). While still retaining it's unique wall explosion mechanics just at a nerfed damage ratio, another 25-30% reduction at the very least. After constant nerfs to the wrong area of this skill it is straight garbage if used in any way but spraying walls. This situation should be the exact opposite of what we currently have. You should also look into how buggy it is at elevation. You can find sweet spots on maps where you can instantly create the secondary damage, this is abused often especially in the smallish/cramped PvP queue arenas. Otherwise mechanically I'd leave it alone."

That's all EA needs, to literally be reversed in purpose.

Yea I figured I'd give that skill a fair shot (magma orb).

It really behaves awfully with elevation, the AoEs don't overlap, the base damage isn't too great, it's blockable and has no secondary damage and to avoid all those gigantic deadzones between bounces, you have to heavily invest in AoE (including the AoE gem), you have to use GMP and you're not left with much in terms of multipliers.

Also now that projectile speed properly affects magma orb (this was a bug for a very long time), it is actually a nerf. More projectile speed means longer bounces which means bigger dead zones where you deal no damage. Whereas less projectile speed means much less range, so having to invest in the right amount of proj speed to get as little deadzones as possible means losing out on more damage.

Overall the skill is trash tier/garbage. It has some advantages vs squishies at long range, but that's it.

Gonna definitely roll fireball tho. I got some cool ideas to make it look really strong.

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MullaXul wrote:

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Simplesim45 wrote:

"Fireball: 50% more damage."

Well, cya magma orb, hello fireball!

Ha you were using Magma Orb?

Jimi I've been saying that for like...ever. Here's a piece from the balance thread started months ago for instance.

"This skill should do pre nerf single target damage. It should require and reward a player that can aim + stack fuses to a target (player, not object). While still retaining it's unique wall explosion mechanics just at a nerfed damage ratio, another 25-30% reduction at the very least. After constant nerfs to the wrong area of this skill it is straight garbage if used in any way but spraying walls. This situation should be the exact opposite of what we currently have. You should also look into how buggy it is at elevation. You can find sweet spots on maps where you can instantly create the secondary damage, this is abused often especially in the smallish/cramped PvP queue arenas. Otherwise mechanically I'd leave it alone."

That's all EA needs, to literally be reversed in purpose.

You know, I actually emailed Chris today, first time I've done that at all, and I brought up bow-skill secondary damage being a huge issue in PVP, and while I didn't quote that, I did mention the fact that EA wall-spam is the only "strategy" used by anyone using EA, and specifically mentioned that players wall-spam as opposed to stacking arrows on the target.

Of course, the response I got from my three or four paragraphs was that he'd let the team know. Basically felt like I offered a thought-out comment, and he responds with "k", but whatever.

I love you rlowe, but I told you you gotta keep it concise. I know you want to share lots of information but the more you type, the more let down you'll be by the response. He can't write 3 paragraph responses to everyone that QQ's like we do, no matter how good it is.

He's running a business, so you have to leave emotion at the door. I can't really explain it that well, but it's something you just learn to do after years of sending work emails to idiots you have to explain things to 100 times before they understand. (ofc not calling GGG idiots in that statement, just that's where I developed my certain knack for it)