The LA/FW situation is getting out of control

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Head_Less wrote:

You complained so much about it i don t understand why you now decided to use it. :(
I mean if you use it why not everyone else? let them have their fun, create more original build.

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Tommie_Sjukskriven wrote:

Worth mentioning is that LA is also very popular in pve, and as the temp leagues are the most populated ones there will be lots of LA that have no intention to "pvp 4 real" and they're just joining for some fun. Doubt many of them will play in standard.

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Rupenus wrote:

well, i can perfectly understand the source of hate towards LA + FW.

as i always say, LA punishes non T1 builds like no other. so that makes LA look very very strong. still, that doesnt mean LA is not a strong strong build all around. cause it is. and on top of that,it doesnt require much skill to use to beat lesser builds. thats perfectly true.

however,

let me say that, any melee crit leap slam or crit EQ build which has same investment as mine can wreck me, or lets say it would be very very close match slightly favored to melee.

a well built inq EA + or pathfinder MoM EA can deal with me easily. (60-65ex investment)

HoT builds, if tailored with good pvp knowledge probably can wreck anyone. (60-65ex investment)

all you gotta do is exploiting the lack of defense of rangers, and use something unblockable since LA can be blockable, both 2 phases. both are evadable and dodgeable.

inquisitor Firestorm is really something hard to deal with. max aoe, max duration, you dotn need much dps.

i cant make GGG change their minds, but i can tell you how to beat LA.


dont expect something miraclous from that +4 arrow bow btw. yeah some weirdo ass 12 GS + LA build can do non crit LA build good with that bow but such build would end up beeing very squishy. dont even take int oconsideration of viable crit build with that bow, even with brood twine and gg gear, i have 62 crit chance.

vs LA, have 75 block, for Rangers using BCR is big dps punishment. 40% damage loss
Rangers are weak to stun. Stun them. that woul make them lose ammy slot, another 33% damage loss.
Cwdt + flame dash answers most of the issues with secondary damages from LA. 50% damage loss.

if you sneak and hit and run me with smoke mine tricks, i have to use GMP, so that means another damage loss for me.

etc etc

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Simplesim45 wrote:

Honestly it's not even just LA. The fact that one of the only ways to get to you and other offscreeners (tho you're not personally offscreening as much anymore it seems) is to leap slam kinda points out how stupid all of this is. There's a problem.

"Leap over projectiles, it's easy". Reminds me of spark. Only thing that could kill me were max block characters (because while spark map coverage was over the top, its damage wasnt anywhere near LA. You couldn't just sneak in a 1-2 shot) and melee builds with leap slam.

When you're in a situation like this where there is little to no counter, there's a problem. A build could be "T1" from how well thought-out it is, how much investment is in it and how well played the character is, but stands literally no chance against offscreening. That fucking sucks.

I always liked how D2 handled rangers (back in 1.09). An actual damage penalty on multi arrow and good/high damage on single arrow skills. Stacked on top of the 1/10th damage reduction everyone was affected by. It forced people to move around and outplay. Moreso in classic than in expansion, but still. It felt much better.

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Rupenus wrote:

Harley, the interesting part is i've never seen you having 4.5+k life build so far. offscreen is no surprise a big counter for such HP pool

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lapiz wrote:

LA gets countered very hard by block, dodge and evasion though. Bear trap on the other hand is quite likely the most overpowered thing in poe pvp at the moment. People just haven't fully realised this yet I guess.

Also, d2 bow duels were like... stand still, spam guided arrow and hope the enemy runs to the "trigger radius" of the arrows. The one who dared to attack the other just got shred -.- this is before enigmas etc ;<

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Vhlad wrote:

I'm not sure what the interaction is but high block/dodge builds melt when they're surrounded by frostwalls vs being much harder to kill when hit by LA with no frostwalls.

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lapiz wrote:

LA gets countered very hard by block, dodge and evasion though. Bear trap on the other hand is quite likely the most overpowered thing in poe pvp at the moment. People just haven't fully realised this yet I guess.

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Simplesim45 wrote:

How is bear trap the most broken thing?

Literally a week ago, I was being told vortex traps were the stupidest shit ever. So I switched over to bear trap and pushed the boundaries a bit.

In a 1v1 context, bow builds are still king. More so than bear traps. At least you can sweep the damn traps or outrange the trappers. Plenty of people are catching on now. Once everyone starts sweeping properly, I'll switch back to vortex.