[2.5] 2600+ Int Whispering Ice Guardian. Wonderous Wizard of Wisdom

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Kaz2ndChance wrote:

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WaffleT wrote:

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Kaz2ndChance wrote:

What do you think of Foresight? It's effectively +20 flat ES and +20% max ES for 2 points.

Just a tip but "why don't you get x" isn't generally as good a question as "why don't you get x instead of getting y". Everything has the opportunity cost of not getting something else and looking for what you think you would cut to get your suggestion helps answer the question as you can compare which is best.

In terms of foresight it just so happens that everything else this build gets is better value, if you read the "math of int value" part of the build you can see how nodes that include Int in their stats come out on top over pure ES nodes mathematically

I did some calculations assuming I'm using The Vertex (so +85% int instead of +100%).
So basically, to finish your skyforth tree, there are 4 options that I can see:
1. Ancestral Knowledge (2pts) - 30 int
+85% = 55.5 int:
11.1% inc ES (5.55 per)
6.48 flat ES (3.24 per)
20.35% dmg (10.18 per)

2. Catalyze (3pts) - 40 int
+85% = 74 int:
14.8% inc ES (4.93 per)
8.63 flat ES (2.88 per)
27.13% dmg (9.04 per)

3. Coordination (2pts) - 20 int + 6% cast
+85% = 37 int:
7.4% inc ES (3.7 per)
4.32 flat ES (2.16 per)
13.57% dmg (6.78 per)

4. Foresight (2pts) - 20 FLAT ES + 20% inc ES
20% inc ES (10 per)
20 flat ES (10 per)

5. Jewel Socket (3pts) - could be used for Emperor's Wit/Mastery

you have 10 points to spend to get to level 100. The jewel socket is a must, so that leaves 7. It's an odd number, so chances are you're going to take the 3-point investment into Catalyze. You're left with 4 points, and the remaining choices are Coordination, Ancestral Knowledge, and Foresight...you have to pick 2 out of the three. And as you can see, Foresight has a really high flat ES per point; nothing else comes close. It would sort of make up for the dmg loss, and it's way more valuable than more 'inc max ES' because we already have a lot of those and we get diminishing returns.

So I suppose it comes down to what you value more: EHP or dmg. I guess the fact that you're willing to replace The Vertex with Black Sun answers that question. Chaos damage must be a bitch to deal with.

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Kaz2ndChance wrote:

yeah, sockets are a commodity with this build. I don't have a slot for Herald of Ice :p

my aura set up

https://poe.mikelat.com/#uvxOxsb/VEOr.u/218l.kRb

if you're interested,
4L: CWDT - Flame Golem - Warlord's - Molten Shell
4L: Inc duration - Vaal Disc - Warcy(rallying/enduring) - Flame Dash

Thank you, btw, for letting me know how much ES you gain from switching helmets (I was about to ask that). How much armour am I losing for using the Vertex? I still really like my light radius though T_T

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foojin wrote:

Biggest issue is ES, only at 5K right now. Hoping it will improve once I have 10 more levels and some more jewel sockets for INT. Wish I could afford a second ring right now.

I have a divine orb, should I use it on the black sun?

The build is allot of fun to play, it feels quite tanky and the damage is easily there. I love the amount of neat things it has (auras, slows, curse on hit, decent phys mit.).

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have 2013 int at lvl 83 , reserved all my life ( 1167 reserved out of 1190)
the problem is guys :
1. i dont have gem space for my portal gem
2. i dont have gem space for my curse / blasphemy
3. u recommend gathering ES nodes north to the witch tree ? like unnatural calm passive node ??
4. u recommend i go for Blunt Trauma and Serpent Stance on the tree for crit strike chance while weilding a staff ??

thanks in advance for answering those , will tell you if i have anything else :)
good hunting

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WaffleT wrote:

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have 2013 int at lvl 83 , reserved all my life ( 1167 reserved out of 1190)
the problem is guys :
1. i dont have gem space for my portal gem
2. i dont have gem space for my curse / blasphemy
3. u recommend gathering ES nodes north to the witch tree ? like unnatural calm passive node ??
4. u recommend i go for Blunt Trauma and Serpent Stance on the tree for crit strike chance while weilding a staff ??

thanks in advance for answering those , will tell you if i have anything else :)
good hunting

1 & 2 - You have chosen a CWTD setup that only procs immortal call which I don't consider good for this build. I would swap immortal call into the curse of your choice and start leveling up the CWTD gem.
I don't think the portal gem deserves a gem slot but if you wanted it then I would remove either vaal discipline or enduring cry as activating them takes time

3 - I do not recommend getting ES nodes as they are lower value then the recommended nodes for this build unless you felt like it was worth getting pure ES at the loss and not getting anymore damage

4 - This build is not a crit build and takes elemental overload. Getting additional crit chance is a waste of points as it only leads to overload being up slightly more often

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witcher9611 wrote:

okay i removed enduring cry gem and replacing it with curse gem ..
but im keeping the CWDT low level so it procs more , am i doing it right or what?

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witcher9611 wrote:

I have 2013 int at lvl 83 , reserved all my life ( 1167 reserved out of 1190)
the problem is guys :
1. i dont have gem space for my portal gem
2. i dont have gem space for my curse / blasphemy
3. u recommend gathering ES nodes north to the witch tree ? like unnatural calm passive node ??
4. u recommend i go for Blunt Trauma and Serpent Stance on the tree (between witch and templar section, o nthe left of elemental overload) for crit strike chance while weilding a staff ??

thanks in advance for answering those , will tell you if i have anything else :)
good hunting

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WaffleT wrote:

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foojin wrote:

Biggest issue is ES, only at 5K right now. Hoping it will improve once I have 10 more levels and some more jewel sockets for INT. Wish I could afford a second ring right now.

I have a divine orb, should I use it on the black sun?

The build is allot of fun to play, it feels quite tanky and the damage is easily there. I love the amount of neat things it has (auras, slows, curse on hit, decent phys mit.).

Vertex and Voidbringers are two relatively cheap things that you can use to buff up that ES and then resell once you have a well rolled helmet and more levels. So long as you can sustain the mana cost on the voidbringers which needs a decently high level clarity.

I wouldn't divine the helmet as I'm not a gambler, I like to save up and spend to know what I'm getting. To each their own though

I'm glad you are having fun