GhazzyTV - THE Spectre Summoner [LOW & HIGH BUDGET VERSIONS]

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Goose70 wrote:

Edit: With Elemental Equilibrium, I assume our Solar Guards don't trigger it with their fire attacks correct? So I don't have to live in fear of giving enemy mobs free fire resistance if I don't attack with my Ball lightning first?

no, your minions won't trigger EE, you have to be you attacking in order to proc EE.
and you have to actually "hit" with your spells or attacks, reason why spells like scorching ray which don't hit never proc EE even if self-cast.

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Goose70 wrote:

I have a question. With The Scourge Claw, if I understand correctly, you need to hit with a melee attack to trigger the 70% extra damage for minions. I assume you're just occasionally spamming shield charge to trigger the effect of the Scourge Claw?

anything that hits will trigger 70% minion damage from the Scourge (even Culling strike if it has the corruption) therefore any spell or attack will do the work

Thank you for the clarification Giammafix, appreciate it.

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lyndoff wrote:

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Tanaomit wrote:

Is it worth dropping Belt of the Deceiver for Bisco's Leash? I assume for maps yes, bosses no. Just trying to min/max things now.

I'm not Ghazzy but I think that belt is not best in slot anymore. Intimidate only applies to attacks now so it does not benefit Solar Guards anymore. Of course it still has decent life and resists, not to mention the reduced critical damage taken, but you may replace it with a better rare I should think.

Interesting, I would like Ghazzy to confirm if he can. I guess that means I need to keep my eyes open for a good rare. I think I might switch to Bisco's for mapping for now then. Thanks!

Hey guys,

Pardon the delayed responses I just moved to my new apartment!

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Tanaomit wrote:

Did my first breachstone & got xoph's ammy a couple days ago, so now I got some currency to upgrade. Going to grab a couple gems since I'm missing one & I've almost unlocked a second one. Aside from minion dmg & % maximum life, what is most important after that? I'm guessing res, but what about things like global crit chance, or attack speed, etc?

GG bro!
Minion Life is not something we prio with this build, the Soul Weaver ascendancy takes care of their survival alone pretty much ( we get some from the tree either way ), you want to focus on Minion DMG entirely.

Crit/Atk speed etc etc these mods does not affect your minions, I'd recommend you to watch this video: Generic Summoner Mechanic Guide also, read the pinned msg below the video. This will teach you about the generic mechanics of summoners and how they work. Basically, anything that doesn't specifically state that it affects minions or allies does not work, unless you have external factors making it affect minions (example: Necromantic Aegis keystone), this obviously excludes things like curses/auras which are already external buff/debuff factors.


So your prio list is:
Hardcore:
Cap res > Life > Minion DMG
Softcore:
Cap res > Minion DMG > Life

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Pure wrote:

Thanks for this build!

My pleasure! :)

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Tanaomit wrote:

Is it worth dropping Belt of the Deceiver for Bisco's Leash? I assume for maps yes, bosses no. Just trying to min/max things now.

All I have left to upgrade is my gloves & then I'm not sure what to do. Once I hit 92 I will have the last jewel slot unlocked & can put the 7% life/min dmg/fire res jewel in there. I will then be around 7k HP. Not sure where to go from there.

Obviously I need a 6L, I'm about 1.2k+ fusings into this god damn chest now, so that's probably the last thing after the gloves. Should I be able to do Shaper/Elder comfortably? I destroy yellow elder but haven't been able to spawn a red one yet. Is this spec capable of Uber Elder?

Hey,

Belt of the Deciver was nerfed last patch making it only affect "Attack Damage" so it no longer works for our spectres :(
Bisco's Leash is a great clear speed enhancer but if you want something for bosses I'd recommend something like a Stygian Vise with a minion dmg jewel in it.

Get more jewels after that!
This spec should be able to run Uber Elder as well, yes. If you find yourself having troubles I'd recommend looking in to my Lich Queen build guide, it's utilizing spectres as well as skeletons and the trees are almost identical, just a few minor tweaks in terms of gearing/gems & playstyle. (The high budget version with melee skellies that is which is not so high budget anyways xd)

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Goose70 wrote:

I have a question. It's my understanding that PoB doesn't have the option for Solar Guard spectres. How're you simulating your dps? I see in your PoB link you have Flame sentinels, is that accurate?

Hey,

We can't similate it, it's been going through extensive testing since the patch that introduced 10 acts. Basically, poedb.tw/us has the datamined information showing us life & dmg modifiers and the baseline dmg which they scale from, but since we have no information on how they behave when they are summoned in a higher lvl state it's again impossible to determine, however, with the life & dmg modifiers we are safely confirm which minion is the best, Solar Guards outperforms Flame Sentinels by a pretty large margin.

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Psykrom wrote:

anyone knows if sadima's touch works even if the summons do the killing?

The answer is: Yes, you get the MF if your minions get the kill, this is the only exception to modifiers affecting minions despite not stating that it affect minions.

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DaveNotDave wrote:

Hello Ghazzy!
First of all huge thanks for your build guides. I tried out summoner builds this league first and thanks to your guides these are great to play!
I just transitioned my build from srs to solar guards and it turns out to be very effective and easy to play. I spent currency to improve the build but there are maybe things which I can improve.

Would you mind checking my tree and gear what can I improve? Besides having 20/20 or higher gems ofc :)

Br,
David

Hey,

My pleasure bro, glad you're enjoying it!

Wow, your gear is super solid, the only complaint I have is this:
Any jewel you can and can afford to change you should and the #1 mod you want on the new jewel is this:
"%minion dmg when you've used a minion skill recently" (preferably 18-20%) this will skyrocket your dmg significantly. The #2 mod would in hardcore be "flat life" and in softcore as well if you want to be tankier, otherwise things that grants you more damage to the minions is preferable, but the first mod is the most important one.

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lyndoff wrote:

Just wanted to say huge thanks for this guide. Been checking it all the time when I started last Harbinger and Solar Guard summoner is still my favorite build to date :D

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Tanaomit wrote:

Is it worth dropping Belt of the Deceiver for Bisco's Leash? I assume for maps yes, bosses no. Just trying to min/max things now.

I'm not Ghazzy but I think that belt is not best in slot anymore. Intimidate only applies to attacks now so it does not benefit Solar Guards anymore. Of course it still has decent life and resists, not to mention the reduced critical damage taken, but you may replace it with a better rare I should think.

Thank you bro <3

The comment regarding BotD is correct as well.

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DaveNotDave wrote:

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Goose70 wrote:

I have a question. With The Scourge Claw, if I understand correctly, you need to hit with a melee attack to trigger the 70% extra damage for minions. I assume you're just occasionally spamming shield charge to trigger the effect of the Scourge Claw?

Well I'm not ghazzy but I can answer that: shield charge is 1 option and you are also advised to use curse on hit EE proc skill like ball lightning or orb of storms. When that hits you also proc scourge extra damage.

I'm not Dave, but I couldn't have said this better myself ;)

"Hits" is anything from attacks to spells that actually hits, an example that doens't hit is a spell like "Contagion" that only applies a debuff on the enemies!

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Tanaomit wrote:

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lyndoff wrote:

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Tanaomit wrote:

Is it worth dropping Belt of the Deceiver for Bisco's Leash? I assume for maps yes, bosses no. Just trying to min/max things now.

I'm not Ghazzy but I think that belt is not best in slot anymore. Intimidate only applies to attacks now so it does not benefit Solar Guards anymore. Of course it still has decent life and resists, not to mention the reduced critical damage taken, but you may replace it with a better rare I should think.

Interesting, I would like Ghazzy to confirm if he can. I guess that means I need to keep my eyes open for a good rare. I think I might switch to Bisco's for mapping for now then. Thanks!

Confirming Confirming Confirming :D

The belt:
https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Belt_of_the_Deceiver
Intimidate:
https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Intimidate

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Ghazzy wrote:

Any jewel you can and can afford to change you should and the #1 mod you want on the new jewel is this:
"%minion dmg when you've used a minion skill recently" (preferably 18-20%) this will skyrocket your dmg significantly. The #2 mod would in hardcore be "flat life" and in softcore as well if you want to be tankier, otherwise things that grants you more damage to the minions is preferable, but the first mod is the most important one.

do you think that "minion dmg if used minion skill recently" can outperform "minions have % increased cast speed" for Solar guards?
and, same question about Tukohama's vanguards!

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Ghazzy wrote:

We can't simulate it, it's been going through extensive testing

speaking of testing, I remember when I was helping you with those Bone Rhoa spectres, only to find with great disappointment that they had rather to autoattack than to charge into packs... xD
the hard life of summoners

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Ghazzy wrote:

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DaveNotDave wrote:

Hello Ghazzy!
First of all huge thanks for your build guides. I tried out summoner builds this league first and thanks to your guides these are great to play!
I just transitioned my build from srs to solar guards and it turns out to be very effective and easy to play. I spent currency to improve the build but there are maybe things which I can improve.

Would you mind checking my tree and gear what can I improve? Besides having 20/20 or higher gems ofc :)

Br,
David

Hey,

My pleasure bro, glad you're enjoying it!

Wow, your gear is super solid, the only complaint I have is this:
Any jewel you can and can afford to change you should and the #1 mod you want on the new jewel is this:
"%minion dmg when you've used a minion skill recently" (preferably 18-20%) this will skyrocket your dmg significantly. The #2 mod would in hardcore be "flat life" and in softcore as well if you want to be tankier, otherwise things that grants you more damage to the minions is preferable, but the first mod is the most important one.

Thanks a lot "Lord of summoners" :) Holy cow dude I just realized that flesh offering is a minion skill. I already have jewel with this modifier "%minion dmg when you've used a minion skill recently" will test it soon.

I forgot to ask: is culling strike worth to have on scourge claw? Or is there any good weapon alternative? But I just want to spend currency/change it if there is significant benefit.

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DaveNotDave wrote:

I forgot to ask: is culling strike worth to have on scourge claw? Or is there any good weapon alternative? But I just want to spend currency/change it if there is significant benefit.

I'm another random guy instead of Ghazzy, btw I had a Scourge with culling strike on my last summoner (and still have in standard) and, sure we're talking about min-maxing, but if you have enough currency to waste I think it's a very significant upgrade in heavier boss fights, especially for Uber Elder (that execute at 10% could really save your run!) assuming you're going to farm endgame bosses a lot (uber elder, shaper, elder, uber atziri, guardians, etc.)...while if you spend most of your time mapping or you're doing these bosses occasionally, you might consider other upgrades first.

Kind of a dumb question, but what gems do I use for the 5L? I doubt I'll be able to afford a 6L anytime soon.

Thanks a lot for taking the time to respond to the questions & congrats on the new apartment, Ghazzy.

I swapped out BotD for Bisco's for map clearing & it's so much better, holy crap. I've had 0 issues with shaper Guardians, but haven't attempted Shaper, nor have I been lucky enough to get a T15 Elder to try yet.

I guess the only thing left for me to get is a Stygian Vise belt with another jewel. Currently have way over capped res & 7.1khp. Since I don't need res on my belt, what would you recommend aside from obviously Str & Life? Increased flask duration or charges? Elemental damage? Also, how big of an increase is the 40% spectre damage helm enchant? I currently have a very nice helm but it doesn't have the enchant on it. I could possibly buy one with the enchant & then use the stygian to make up the res loss.

One thing I noticed was, I never have issues with my spectres, but I did a double beyond T15 with reflect last night & it absolutely wrecked them. That seems to be about the only situation where they actually die though. Is it phys reflect or ele reflect that hurts them? I'm guessing ele.