(3.2) [Lighty] 2H RT Cyclone: Dope for Beast League & Lab™
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Guys NEED HELP! What is the correct way of solving mana issues? BM passive and hence no auras at all or just blasthemy+warlock's mark for mana leech? Having a hard time choosing.
Blood magic support gems for cyclone/leap/warchief, and auras
I just got a Starforge. Now I cannot use Elemental Damage of course. I swapped Added Fire on My Cyclone to Brutality. I am now using Cyclone-Faster Attacks-Melee Physical-Brutality-Blood Magic. That is good, I think?
Now I'm curious about the aura setup. Hatred is completely useless if I'm correct? I swapped it to Haste for now. I am also using Herald of Ash. I'm only getting the burning damage from that, right? Is it worth it, still? And Arctic Armour.
Is this aura setup fine for Starforge or should I use another one?
Also: Is Faster Attacks or Melee Physical Damage better for Ancestral Warchief when I'm using Bleed (Voidheart). Or should I stop using Bleed (Voidheart) altogether?
I just got a Starforge. Now I cannot use Elemental Damage of course. I swapped Added Fire on My Cyclone to Brutality. I am now using Cyclone-Faster Attacks-Melee Physical-Brutality-Blood Magic. That is good, I think?
Now I'm curious about the aura setup. Hatred is completely useless if I'm correct? I swapped it to Haste for now. I am also using Herald of Ash. I'm only getting the burning damage from that, right? Is it worth it, still? And Arctic Armour.
Is this aura setup fine for Starforge or should I use another one?
Also: Is Faster Attacks or Melee Physical Damage better for Ancestral Warchief when I'm using Bleed (Voidheart). Or should I stop using Bleed (Voidheart) altogether?
Thanks for this build, I'm having a lot of fun!
you dont even get the burning damage, herald is useless
you should use Grace (and Iron Reflexes node) + blasphemy/vulnerability or another curse such as Warlords thats gives you leech and endurance charges and you should be able to drop Blood Magic from your Cyclone because that is a HUGE DPS loss.
If you are using Physical only you should be using Brutality gem and full physical obviously.
Look at my post before, check out these path of building strings, they might give you some ideas.
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In Path of Building I reach 1.6+ Mio DPS with Lions Roar/Sulphur up, 8000+ hp with perfect gear, 20k Armor (46k with flasks up)
https://pastebin.com/WGnX16wu
You can go more life with a Rare Helmet, Belly of the Beast, Headhunter Belt at the cost of dps.
https://pastebin.com/3bcdR5HP
Here you get to 1.34 Mio DPS with Flasks up 10k life but you also lose 3 Cyclone Radius and some movement speed.
Boots to use Immortal Call, Molten Shell, CWDT, Duration setup though I feel it does not accomplish much once you are already tanky and have such high armor.
Last edited by Quizzlemanizzle#2632 on Aug 11, 2017, 11:42:56 AM
Guys NEED HELP! What is the correct way of solving mana issues? BM passive and hence no auras at all or just blasthemy+warlock's mark for mana leech? Having a hard time choosing.
Blood magic support gems for cyclone/leap/warchief, and auras
Blood MAgic is a huge dps loss, Warchief curse or mana leech on item modifiers is much more efficient. Especially since you get Endurance from Warchief also.
You contradict yourself and otherwise once again repeat literally what I said. Do you read my posts at all?
Brutality builds are better right now even if you only have a Kaoms Primacy. But it is good to keep it a secret.
Cyclone-Brutality-Melee Physical-Dmg on Full Life-Ruthless-Bloodlust is the best DMG Setup you can have right now.
You need manaleech to sustain Cyclone so run Warlords Mark for Life/Mana Leech and Endurance Charges.
If you have insane gear, level and life you can maybe get away with playing without Endurance Charges and run Vulnerability as an aura instead of Warlords. You can reach sick damage so that 1 piece with mana leech and life leech is enough to keep you topped always.
Put up Ancestral Warchief with Maim, Chance to Bleed and Faster Attacks.
I melt Tier15 Bosses and I am lvl 88 with Kaom's Primacy still.
In Path of Building I reach 1.6+ Mio DPS with Lions Roar/Sulphur up, 8000+ hp with perfect gear, 20k Armor (46k with flasks up)
https://pastebin.com/WGnX16wu
You can go more life with a Rare Helmet, Belly of the Beast, Headhunter Belt at the cost of dps.
https://pastebin.com/3bcdR5HP
Here you get to 1.34 Mio DPS with Flasks up 10k life but you also lose 3 Cyclone Radius and some movement speed.
Boots to use Immortal Call, Molten Shell, CWDT, Duration setup though I feel it does not accomplish much once you are already tanky and have such high armor.
You can also sac more life nodes for more dmg to push to 1.8+Mio dps with flasks up but you are losing 1k life.
You can't count with the bloodlust multiplier because you can't do bleed. Also, your AW will not be active 100% of the time on bosses. Also bosses have many resistances, and apply bleed on them is hard. Also you'll not be at max life 100% of the time, you'll not take the most of it (if any, at all).
Your DPS is this high only in theory, with perfect conditions.
Last edited by Shiiro95#6139 on Aug 11, 2017, 11:48:53 AM
Guys NEED HELP! What is the correct way of solving mana issues? BM passive and hence no auras at all or just blasthemy+warlock's mark for mana leech? Having a hard time choosing.
There is not "one correct way".
Blood Magic is the worst however it should cost you the most DPS of all options.
If your dmg is high enough Mana Leech on one item should be enough to sustain your cyclone. You should not cyclone when there are no mobs anyway and in my opinion engage mobs always with Leap Slam+Fortify and possible Endurance Charges on Stun.
Warlords curse with Blasphemy does the job as well and gives you Endurance charges and dropping Vulnerability should be less dps loss than using Blood Magic.
For example if you run Grace+Blasphemy+Warlords Mark or Vulnerability + Englighten you should still have a 100 mana pool or something which is enough to leap slam between packs and use blood rage and start cycloning and when you hit mobs you are always at max mana.
Yes i know it and i dont need mana so i ask only about dps, with setup are better for more dps (ofc in Herald setup i will take Arctic Armour but its not dps at all) :)
DPS is meaningless. This isn't D3 where it's all about damage. PoE is a game where you learn to defend yourself before ever thinking about dishing out damage. The easy way, or the hard way, that's up to you, but you will learn. If anything, 3.0 made that much more the case than it was for a long, long time.
All these tooltip warriors are bad for the game. 700K DPS, 2M DPS, 20M DPS, who cares? Just 100K will do if you can stay alive. You won't clear maps any faster with 2M DPS, you just shave a few secs off of bosses. Bosses that may one shot you in those seconds and take 4 hours of your time, because you went glass cannon. A few seconds per map vs 4 hours when you die, do the math. There's much more to a good build than tooltip damage. :)
To answer your question: Hatred and Ash will provide slightly more damage than Hatred and Haste.
Also those fucking high dps are only in perfect contidions, for fractions of seconds, IF you can manage to beat all the stuff you are "simulating" on PoB.
You can't cound with the bloodlust multiplier because you can't do bleed. Also, your AW willn't be active 100% of the time on bosses. Also bosses have manu resistances, and apply bleed on them is hard. Also you'll not be at max life 100% of the time, you'll not take the most of it (if any, at all).
Your DPS is this high only in theory, with perfect conditions.
Um yes I can do Bleed, Vengeance applies bleed and Ancient Warchief Totem applies bleed.
And I am actually at max life pretty much all the time unless life leech is disabled (totems).
I am actually playing the build in harbinger league and doing Tier 15 maps with a Kaom's Primacy, 5k hp and -35% chaos resistance.. Bosses are tricky only because my defensive stats suck and I have not played for 2 years so a lot of them are simply new for me and I need to find out what do play around. Everything else, normal mobs in t15 pretty much dies in a second while cycloning through it.
Last edited by Quizzlemanizzle#2632 on Aug 11, 2017, 11:52:31 AM
