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ChronoExile wrote:
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Pokemon Blue was a personal favorite in middle school. With a link-cable and enough classmates to humor my trade requests, I completed my Dex in generation one. I still play the franchise regularly enough, though I am stalled on a ribbon quest in generation four at the moment.

Anyway the above is to say, I enjoy the Beast league. The mechanic is fun enough for me to want to engage, and the changes to nets in the patch last night, should help with the name-lock requirement. However, as others have stated the rare nature of the legendary beasts (esp the ones required for the 'First One' fights) seem to be ill balanced.

Generally the challenges seem to have been increased compared to the last two or so leagues, or my perception is they have been. To be fair, I've never cleared the Alluring Abyss or The Shaper's Realm, so this is also an ideal time for me to learn the mechanics and step up my game of the high level content.

Currently my only character in the league is a Scion Hierophat / Necromancer using Dark Pact totems. Same build I ran last league (based on the Build of the Week) but with a few changes due to the big ascendancy overhaul. Play style is fun, if you like totems, and if I am aware of what is occurring on screen there are enough layered defenses to help keep me alive.

With a 6L and a little more practice I should be able to down Uber Atziri, and maybe attempt Shaper. Assuming I can buy/get to the red tier maps. Build has little issue with lab, but I don't go for full key runs, so profit isn't there compared to maintaining ease of completion.

I do have an idea for a second build. MORE TOTEMS. This time the punchy kind. There should be the damage output and mitigation in this concept build to try the higher tier content as well.

I will be pushing for the portal effect for sure. My motivation is a little low for attempting the full 40. But if I do go for it, at least Atziri is already complete. Honestly though, I am not sure if motivation changes are due to game-time/burnout, league, social elements, or other factors.

Which brings me to a known issue at this time, My computer. I built my current tower six years ago on a budget while I was in school. Playing on all the low settings, and still having issues rendering the shrubberies in Mud Flats while I hunt for the white bird at the end of a gaming session. I am in the process of replacing/building new, but the person who said they would help has been very slow to provide any actual help. (any recommendations or resources on this would be great). With a better play experience, I assume some level of motivation would return... at least I hope so, as I do enjoy this game.



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They have definitely increased the difficulty for 40/40 this league.

There are only five choices for end-game grinds, and four are required for completion. In addition to this, Elder Guardians require an additional 50 kills (although Elder kills now count), and Shaper Guardians / Shaper Kills require an additional 110.

On top of THAT, the Bestiary itself is its own end-game grind, between the rarity of legendary/RNG-gated captures for the four requisite boss kills, and completing the ENTIRE Bestiary.

To a lesser extent, the map-completion challenge is arguably harder. While you can zerg it down in as little as 500 maps if you stack a sextant, Zana mod, and influenced map, there's the associated cost with doing so (which requires a minimum average of 7c per map, between a journeyman sextant and Perandus (in order to simultaneously go for the Coffers challenge or farm Harbingers for Beachheads).

As an aside, multiple sextants do not stack for this challenge.

Lastly, map costs are 1.5-2x more expensive this league, which makes Guardian farming a LOT more expensive. Normally, it costs about 960c to do Shaper Guardians (in the highly unlikely event you have to buy all your T16s). This league, the same amount of runs (40) would cost 1,400c, and the full 150 (assuming you kill Shaper each time), would cost 3,360c.

All in all, while I'm sure plenty of people will still push for 40/40, for me, this is enough combined effort, in conjunction with me being indecisive about what build I want to stick with as my main farmer (I'm thinking of rolling the DirtyDan RF or a Facecestral Warbreaker build), I think they've finally crossed the line for me in terms of level of dedication (both in time and currency) required to complete it.

But, we'll see. I'm enjoying lab runs, which is giving me approximately as many Atziri sets as labs I run, so that should knock out two of the end-games.

I'll vaguely push for 39/40 (not including the Bestiary) and see where I'm at at the end of the month, and go from there.

As for building a rig, if you're just replacing parts as you go, that's honestly pretty easy to do on your own. Track the location of things, the wires, take photos if you have to, and most parts are just plug-and-play. I've looked up precisely nothing on the internet, and I was able to replace my MOBO/CPU and GPU on my own in my last two upgrades.

For the most part, towers are surprisingly uncomplicated. It's mostly just about making sure you have power to your externals, lights (if you have them), mobo, gpu, hard drives, and then making sure those last three things are all connected where they should go (gpu into the mobo, mobo into the HDs).

So replacing parts is pretty easy. EG, if you're replacing the mobo, you just pull out your gpu, pull out the mobo, slot the new mobo, plug the gpu into the new mobo, power both, connect the mobo to the HD and you're done.

If you're building from scratch, I'm sure there's plenty of guides out there via google or youtube that can help you out component by component.
Jul 27, 2011 - Sept 30, 2018.
Last edited by Serleth#4392 on Mar 15, 2018, 2:28:20 PM
I would like to try this build on HC so I made some alterations to your tree and would like to know what you think and if i should change something

PoB: https://pastebin.com/n8AeQ5ff
Hybrid is not the way to go with CA. Hybrid builds need to regen one source and leech to the other to be effective, or at the very least leech to ES and flask to life.

The ES on kill from Trickster is okay, until you start dealing with bosses, but ultimately not the option you want to go with for CA. Needs to either be full on CI, or full life (with just a bit of ES to trigger some of the Trickster effects).

Perfect Agony also does nothing for the build. The CA cloud is not an Ailment.
Jul 27, 2011 - Sept 30, 2018.
Last edited by Serleth#4392 on Mar 15, 2018, 10:42:40 PM
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I've been semi-chasing Elder kills; it's slow going. However, the good news is that you'll be very close to completion of the augmented-map challenge by the time you get your 150 Elder+guardian (EG) kills in. I'm at 15 EG kills and have roughly 150 augmented map completions. I haven't used Zana mods on these maps so if you do that you should comfortably complete the augmented map challenge simply by doing the EG kills.
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Lab hasn't been fantastically profitable for me - no good enchants; I do make currency from the runs though.

A good source of income for me has been doing a bunch of prophecies - the Kaom's ring upgrade prophecy makes lots of currency (did that twice); I got a 5-link prophecy once; my two Council runs dropped the gloves that poison - lightning variety - for about 100c for both. I'm using my Gracious Masters on Zana, but once I level her, those are starting to climb in price (was 2c, now 5c and climbing). Plus the Twice Enchanted prophecy is great for lab.

Also, there's a Beastiary recipe that gives you 5 new prophecies at once. The recipe takes some common yellow beasts so it's always available. This way you don't even have to buy silver coins.

In spite of no good lab enchants, currency just keeps pouring in for me. I'm sitting on a decent amount of currency at the moment, trying to decide if I want to fund an Uber Dan-style 2nd character, plus I've already spent quite a bit on my Oni toon.

So for sure if income seems low, I'd recommend prophecies as a good income augmenter.
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With regard to map expense, I expect that maps will become at least somewhat less expensive as people start to run the Harbinger mod.
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Is there a build guide for Uber Dan's Righteous Fire-Scorching Ray build? I downloaded Zizran's toon that's playing the build into Path of Building so it's no problem for me recreating it that way - but a good build guide frequently offers tips not immediately apparent when first looking at a new build.
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RE Juggernaut survivability - the Oni-Goroshi sword takes both weapon slots, so I can't block attacks/spells, nor do I dodge/evade and, to cope with the sword's fire degen, I can't really go Vaal Pact. Consequently, the Oni toon feels incredibly squishy against spell damage. I usually have to mash instant health pots prior to closing to melee range just to survive.

Mob damage seems to have gone up quite a bit this league; trash mobs are actually scary!
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RE Chrono's question about PC building.

A resource I've used in the past is Tom's Hardware. It's been about 5-years or so since I've been on the site, but it used to have nice build guides for various types of systems and budgets - if those are still part of the site you ought to be able to find one to your liking.

Last edited by hankinsohl#1231 on Mar 16, 2018, 10:55:25 AM
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Serleth wrote:
Hybrid is not the way to go with CA. Hybrid builds need to regen one source and leech to the other to be effective, or at the very least leech to ES and flask to life.

The ES on kill from Trickster is okay, until you start dealing with bosses, but ultimately not the option you want to go with for CA. Needs to either be full on CI, or full life (with just a bit of ES to trigger some of the Trickster effects).

Perfect Agony also does nothing for the build. The CA cloud is not an Ailment.


Hmm so how should I do this on HC? I don't like to rely on evasion for HC cuz eventually you will take dmg. Since hybrid doesn't work should i adapt it for armor+eva and get iron reflexes? Or should i go full CI (never done CI since i mostly play HC and i never liked the idea of having 1 hp xD)?
Last edited by Frascione#6640 on Mar 16, 2018, 5:05:27 PM
I don't really recommend CI for builds that don't leech or don't regen, which this build does not. For that, you'd probably want to build it out of Occultist so that you get some regen on kill and take advantage of Profane Bloom.

If you're not comfortable with CI or evasion, your only other real option if you're set on playing this is Iron Reflexes as you've mentioned. Scale it entirely off evasion gear, maybe get a QoTF and take IR.
Jul 27, 2011 - Sept 30, 2018.
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hankinsohl wrote:
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I've been semi-chasing Elder kills; it's slow going. However, the good news is that you'll be very close to completion of the augmented-map challenge by the time you get your 150 Elder+guardian (EG) kills in. I'm at 15 EG kills and have roughly 150 augmented map completions. I haven't used Zana mods on these maps so if you do that you should comfortably complete the augmented map challenge simply by doing the EG kills.

So for sure if income seems low, I'd recommend prophecies as a good income augmenter.
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With regard to map expense, I expect that maps will become at least somewhat less expensive as people start to run the Harbinger mod.
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Is there a build guide for Uber Dan's Righteous Fire-Scorching Ray build?

Mob damage seems to have gone up quite a bit this league; trash mobs are actually scary!




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* If you're zerging EG kills, you should probably only get about... 15-20 per set, I think?
Which isn't bad I guess given you'll be doing 30 sets, so that should get you close to halfway. Throw on Zana and sextants and it'll mostly be done.

Oops for me on that front. Haven't been doing it.

* Good advice on Prophecies, though my RNG for them has always been terrible. I'll start to take better advantage of the beastcrafting on it now that I'm done (?) my Jugg.

* Speaking of which, super fun build now that I'm back on it. I think I just got a bit zombiefied on it with all the lab runs I did the first week.

* Atlas is nearly done, just missing Plaza, Shaper, and three unique maps, so the map expense doesn't mean much to me now other than high-tier EG sets.

* Trash mobs, yeah, that's one of the reasons I ended up getting frustrated with RF.
I didn't have enough defense to mitigate the increased difficulty of the trash mobs and (oops again) forgot that manifesto for the first few days.

* No guide for Dan's RF that I know of.
Jul 27, 2011 - Sept 30, 2018.
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Serleth wrote:

* Speaking of which, super fun build now that I'm back on it. I think I just got a bit zombiefied on it with all the lab runs I did the first week.


So now that you're officially back in the 40-challenge race... it's on! Bring it!
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Serleth wrote:
If you're not comfortable with CI or evasion, your only other real option if you're set on playing this is Iron Reflexes as you've mentioned. Scale it entirely off evasion gear, maybe get a QoTF and take IR.


Is it worth to pick Ghost Dance with Iron Reflexes or would it be better to pick Harness the Void?
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Frascione wrote:
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Serleth wrote:
If you're not comfortable with CI or evasion, your only other real option if you're set on playing this is Iron Reflexes as you've mentioned. Scale it entirely off evasion gear, maybe get a QoTF and take IR.


Is it worth to pick Ghost Dance with Iron Reflexes or would it be better to pick Harness the Void?


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Jul 27, 2011 - Sept 30, 2018.
Last edited by Serleth#4392 on Mar 18, 2018, 8:55:40 PM

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