[outdated] Caustic Arrow Solo Map MFer (20/300+)

@grimjack68
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Good stuff in your last post RE Doomfletch.

My WI toon is capable of boss kills so I'm mainly looking for a high clear-speed build.

Trouble is... I'm currently grinding out the last bit of fuses needed to 6-link a nice ES chest I have. At that point, I'd be ready to roll HoWA, going with 2 HoTM for leveling and then upgrading them/buying nice HoWAs.

Whereas if I wanted to go Doomfletch, it looks like I'd need a 2nd 6-link (the bow) and a bunch of phys gear. So it would take a lot longer to get Doomfletch up and running.

But the clear speed tempts me :-)

The Doomfletch build I've had my eyes on is the one Fyndel posted in the ranger forum. His build doesn't get much life leech at all - so I'm wondering if the build might be a little more reflect-proof with some more leech.

Last edited by hankinsohl#1231 on Apr 2, 2017, 3:30:34 AM
Just a quick question regarding the tree. Sorry if it has been asked before, but the build being so popular it feels impossible to check 570 pages of info lol.

If I wanted to try and go CI would this be a viable option? Using occultist and trickster with this tree below. Missing pierce cluster because Rigwald's quiver is so cheap atm.

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teketoria wrote:
Just a quick question regarding the tree. Sorry if it has been asked before, but the build being so popular it feels impossible to check 570 pages of info lol.

If I wanted to try and go CI would this be a viable option? Using occultist and trickster with this tree below. Missing pierce cluster because Rigwald's quiver is so cheap atm.

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Personally, I would strongly recommend against going CI and MF with this build.

The really nice thing about life-based CA, is that you can do decent DPS and have decent survivability with very little investment in gear. This means that you can equip 2 MF rings, MF boots and can get MF/life/resists on your Helm/Gloves/Belt and eventually get AOE/Life on your chest.

Going CI introduces additional survivabilitgy requirements which means that you'll end up forgoing MF to make up for defense; namely you'll need stun immunity (somehow), freeze/chill immunity/flask, more investment into DPS mitigation (i.e., energy shield because you cannot flask out of high DPS-but brief damage situations but will instead need to back away - and you'll likely need to get energy shield leech somehow because you can no longer use flasks).

Bottom line - going CA-CI-MF is certainly workable - but you'll end up with far less MF - I think - than going life based.

The purpose of this build is to farm up to Tier 13 or so maps with decent clear speed and great MF - going CI would mean that your MF is going to be far lower because of the survivability factors mentioned above when going CI.
Last edited by hankinsohl#1231 on Apr 3, 2017, 12:38:03 PM
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hankinsohl wrote:
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teketoria wrote:
Just a quick question regarding the tree. Sorry if it has been asked before, but the build being so popular it feels impossible to check 570 pages of info lol.

If I wanted to try and go CI would this be a viable option? Using occultist and trickster with this tree below. Missing pierce cluster because Rigwald's quiver is so cheap atm.



Personally, I would strongly recommend against going CI and MF with this build.

The really nice thing about life-based CA, is that you can do decent DPS and have decent survivability with very little investment in gear. This means that you can equip 2 MF rings, MF boots and can get MF/life/resists on your Helm/Gloves/Belt and eventually get AOE/Life on your chest.

Going CI introduces additional survivabilitgy requirements which means that you'll end up forgoing MF to make up for defense; namely you'll need stun immunity (somehow), freeze/chill immunity/flask, more investment into DPS mitigation (i.e., energy shield because you cannot flask out of high DPS-but brief damage situations but will instead need to back away - and you'll likely need to get energy shield leech somehow because you can no longer use flasks).

Bottom line - going CA-CI-MF is certainly workable - but you'll end up with far less MF - I think - than going life based.

The purpose of this build is to farm up to Tier 13 or so maps with decent clear speed and great MF - going CI would mean that your MF is going to be far lower because of the survivability factors mentioned above when going CI.


Makes perfect sense, thanks for the explanation!

I've made a decent bow last night and also collected a bunch of IIQ gear (thanks to legacy stuff lol) and will very likely start this char soon. Pity about crit multi, wanted a res of some sort, but kept getting +2 and only 1 good suffix while rolling with alts and regals. It turns out to be quite hard to get +2 and 2 good suffixes...

Selling the Wander
Fun build, but it's blatantly clear CI is so much better than LL. Whatever minimal loss of DPS you're going to suffer is easily made up by double the eHP pool.

If anyone's interested in a 6L 199% Shavs (11.5ex) and a pair of Skyforth's (38ex), lmk.

Sold.

Probably gonna be a Standard kid until the beta unless I figure out something else I want to roll.


And probably my last respec of the league, possibly build


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Jul 27, 2011 - Sept 30, 2018.
Last edited by Serleth#4392 on Apr 4, 2017, 9:42:58 PM
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So, just gave the Hall of Grandmasters a shot with the HoWA toon. Nearly cleared one wing, but ran into a guy called Strikedeezy at the very end. Killed everyone else, but that guy... wow. Impressive damage output, and without frenzy charges I just can't push out enough damage, which I never thought I'd say about a HoWA toon!

Back to the drawing board, I guess. :)

Hindsight: Should have tried swapping out my GMP for Slower Projectiles. Dammit.
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@Serleth
Interesting take on LL AKA Glass Cannon - I enjoy the play style where you can charge into a room without much caring what's in it - maybe taking a big burst of initial damage - but then quickly recovering ES/life and quickly dispatching whatever's attacking me. With 6Kish ES, this sort of tactic would end up killing me far too often.

@GrimJack
I don't know whether or not you tried this tactic or whether or not it would help against Strikedeezy, but... you can out-range just about every mob using faster projectiles. I cheesed a bunch of the wings, swapping out GMP for faster projectiles and just attacked from range. Usually I'll get a hit or two in, the mob will get a hit or two on me, but then I just back out, regen energy shield and repeat. This allows me to kill any life-based toon.

And many mobs can't even take a hit or two from "faster projectile" spectral throw - so this tactic works really well against a lot of ES mobs too.


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As mentioned in several posts above, I'm rolling HoWA for my second toon... but this time, I'm going crit.

Crit seems to offer 40% or more potential DPS than non-crit with possibly similar expenditure for gear.

I'm following Invalesco's guide; Invalesco seems to know what he's talking about and has an easy-going demeanor in his posts. Curiously, his build doesn't use Ancestral Protector - missing out on 15% or so DPS against bosses and whatever content you decide to drop AP.

Meanwhile... Vaal Haste duration has been nerfed so much I'm considering not using it at all - I don't have it linked with Increased Duration - so maybe it's somewhat better than I'm currently experiencing - but wow! - maybe 4 seconds of VH and then it expires - big deal! - and even with ID, duration is going to be on the order of only 6 seconds, as compared to 10 seconds previously.

For me... if for some reason stuff isn't dying fast enough I'll simply drop Ancestral Protector. And then if it's still not dead, I'll pop VH - previously I had VH up as much as possible.
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@Serleth...
No doubt you've seen Mathil's Starforge cyclone raider... maybe that variant will be strong enough against Shaper to make the build completely viable for all content.
Last edited by hankinsohl#1231 on Apr 5, 2017, 8:08:06 PM
@Hank
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That's epic strategy! I'm absolutely going to liberate that idea next time I give it a go.

PS: Vaal Haste linked to a q20 increased duration is still 7s. And at 24 souls per use, I can keep it up most of the time, as I tend to kill a crapload more than 24 souls every 7 seconds.
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Last edited by grimjack68#6087 on Apr 6, 2017, 12:02:34 AM
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hankinsohl wrote:
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No doubt you've seen Mathil's Starforge cyclone raider... maybe that variant will be strong enough against Shaper to make the build completely viable for all content.



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Saw this Slayer Ngamahu variant that pulled it off with relative ease. Not the fastest kill, but solid stuff.
Jul 27, 2011 - Sept 30, 2018.
Leveling Tip
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Most of you are probably aware of this item:


Equip that and roll Beyond and Breach and optionally Nemesis - massive mob density, huge rampage stacks, DPS boos due to rampage and drops are noticeably much better.

Alternatively you could roll Rampage on the map but if you can use the belt it saves a stone.

I've been rolling Beyond in Dried Lakes leveling my HoWA toon and still getting over 120M exp/hr at level 79 while looting stuff for the chaos recipe.
Last edited by hankinsohl#1231 on Apr 6, 2017, 6:08:28 AM

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