[Suggestion] Engaging more people to PvP

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Therapist1 wrote:

I agree, PvP is not rewarding, it is the exact opposite of it, and that is what I wanted to try to implement something small that allows players to feel their character is being progressed. As for the not fun part, the community is too small for me to properly assess that one. I am excited beyond belief of full PvP in this game, but the implementation steps have been a bit rocky. The effort is there, but seems there is a fundemental error in implementation.

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p0t wrote:

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Therapist1 wrote:

I agree, PvP is not rewarding, it is the exact opposite of it, and that is what I wanted to try to implement something small that allows players to feel their character is being progressed. As for the not fun part, the community is too small for me to properly assess that one. I am excited beyond belief of full PvP in this game, but the implementation steps have been a bit rocky. The effort is there, but seems there is a fundemental error in implementation.

The player base is so small because PvPing for the reward of PvPing, beating somebody, obviously isn't drawing in anybody. Any rewards that enhance a players ability to win or not get 3-shot in PvP don't seem like they would be effective because people simply don't want to PvP for various reasons. The only reward that can logically bring in more people to the current broken system are non PvP rewards, so incentivizing people that already are PvPing with extra random loot doesn't make sense and seems too easily exploitable to be seriously considered.

Until PvP has better maps with scenarios/mods and PvP only skills like hookshot with themed events that require a non cyclone build I don't see anything that can be done. We've had PvP since around beta I believe. People know about it, have tried it and disapprove of it generally. That's the fundamental error. Gearing for PvP is very very easy, gearing for PvP competitively is pointlessly expensive when its a ghost town.

They've had the same P2W PvP system, tried different tweaks, but interest just declines. They should try events in which you can't P2W. Random events where maybe you're given a chest like decent/endless ledge so everybody gets the same pool of gear/gems and unassigned skill points to make a build for 5 minutes before PvP started. These random events could be different every time and don't seem to require any mechanics that aren't already in the game. I think you could probably get a decent amount more players to participate if there was more variety in events, especially if some were on a more even playing field. How many people do you think would race if you were allowed to pre-gear your hero?

The problem in my opinion is PvP, not getting people to come to it.

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p0t wrote:

The only reward that can logically bring in more people to the current broken system are non PvP rewards

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GrindcoreTHRALL wrote:

I like the loot crate idea but we will have the same problems we have now with the rewards. All the best players will kill the undergeared players and take the rewards.

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lourun_coria wrote:

For me the solution is quite simple.

It's needed a system that matches people of similar skill/gear in PVP. It would be something similar to tiers in other games (platinum, gold, silver, bronze), and you will be parth of the tier according to your kills/deaths ratio.


That would be the core idea, so you being a beginner in PVP season would fight against other begginers and not agains people who have been playing PVP from 2 years and with a gear thousand times better than yours.

Of course, the rewards can't have the same value if you fight in Platium Tiers than if you play in Bronze Tiers.

I think this idea would solve the most part of problems with PVP.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

I will re-post this here since this thread has a more relevant topic than the one i posted this on.

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if i were to suggest changes they would be

1 the HEAVY buffing of gear on premade pvp characters, at the very least all pvp characters should be able to do 60 - 75% of the damage and have 70% of the durability of top tier builds.

we can do this since we can bind said items to the pvp characters. this still enables room for improvement but it allows anyone to get in to pvp and be dangerous to Anyone for zero investment.

zero investment to be competitive is crucial since you get nothing in terms of progression out of pvp.

you argue getting competitive in pvp requires a few exalted in investment, that is not good enough. not for the majority of the community anyway.

at the very least all casters should get 1 +1 to skills armor piece and 1 level 2 empower gem. It has to happen empower and a +1 item is 100% of a caster these days.

weapon builds need access to good high damage rare items, that have at-least 3 complimenting damage mods.

2 there should be a pvp only orb type that has a mild impact outside of pvp. I dont recommend rewarding normal currency since pvp really should not be even indirect competition for pve in terms of wealth. but a novel orb that does something interesting but not meta or economy breaking would serve as an interesting carrot for players.

(perhaps these orbs could be low level versions of higher orbs) so like a low level exalted orb that only works on ilevel 36 or less gear , or the same for low level version of chaos etc.

such orbs wont matter much in the economy since most crafting is high level. it also would serve as a method of progressing ones low level pvp characters , which they can use to perfect play styles for the possible transition to high level dueling.


3 i would also stop making events exclusive to one area.. like only standard or only high level or only temp league. This makes players guess what league to invest in and spreads the resources of the poor members of the community.

have preferred competition sure on a preferred area , but give a few events for the other areas so the characters players use aren't collecting dust somewhere for 2+seasons worth .


4 there should probably be a prebuff time window for casters and summoners to actually summon most of their stuff before the round starts the fact that one has to recast their auras , recast their buffs , summon their minions and lay their traps at the start of every god damn round does nothing more than limit the viability of complex pvp builds.
(this prebuff should take place out side the actual combat area to prevent casters lacing the area with mines traps and crap like that)

or better yet just allow characters to enter arenas with the shit on already, it is not like the function doesn't exist you spawn with all the shit on and then pvp manually turns everything off

i never thought of this but that whole dance you have to do activating stuff at the start of every round is extremely annoying. If i were to say i violently hate something about pvp it is definitely that inability to begin the fight with your buffs on.

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lourun_coria wrote:

For me the solution is quite simple.

It's needed a system that matches people of similar skill/gear in PVP. It would be something similar to tiers in other games (platinum, gold, silver, bronze), and you will be parth of the tier according to your kills/deaths ratio.


That would be the core idea, so you being a beginner in PVP season would fight against other begginers and not agains people who have been playing PVP from 2 years and with a gear thousand times better than yours.

Of course, the rewards can't have the same value if you fight in Platium Tiers than if you play in Bronze Tiers.

I think this idea would solve the most part of problems with PVP.