[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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SybDarret wrote:

Today i killed Atziri for the first time. Thanks :D

My stats:

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Lvl: 83
HP: 3877
Puncture: about 25k dps
Tornado Shot: about 12-13k dps
It was my second attempt, the first was at lvl 77 but failed with Atziri on low hp

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Panini_aux_olives wrote:

I deal with it with much more life at 4800 hp, and good ll (6%). Also I just don't shoot at phys reflect mobs with my single target attack. I use the AOE instead.

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The_pie_is_gewd wrote:

How do you guys deal with physical reflect? I am at level 86 and I keep dying to it all the freaking time. I die like 3 times a day...

I know you can evade reflected damage, but my estimated evasion is only 39%. Even when I use Grace, it goes up to 52%, I still get insta-killed 99% of the time.

How am I supposed to level like this? I can't be bothered to check every yellow mob before attacking...

My stats:

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Life: 3.5k
Tornado shot: 15k (crit chance 73.8%)
Puncture: 29k
Auras: Hatred, Herald of Ash/Ice
Resists: 75/74/74/-12
Using Tabula Rasa at the moment.

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Panini_aux_olives wrote:

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cdchi1 wrote:

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Panini_aux_olives wrote:

I deal with it with much more life at 4800 hp, and good ll (6%). Also I just don't shoot at phys reflect mobs with my single target attack. I use the AOE instead.

I'm kind of the opposite, always using my puncture on phys reflect mob, but maybe doesn't cause me as much issues because I use an added fire support gem instead of a phys damage increasing gem and don't have pierce chance so wont hit any adds sharing the phys reflect aura.

Other than that I agree, poster needs more life and less damage. I get by with 4.4k or so.

For phys reflect maps I swap out TS for a high lvl ice shot gem...does the job though still an issue if map also has vulnerability mod.

I agree pierce is part of the problem. I used to play pierce back in domination (LA/GMP/pierce) so I had Piercing Shots, and reflect on frenzy was REALLY dangerous as I could pierce a reflecting monster and hit another one behind. This cost me some one shot deaths. Now I use a regular puncture / split arrow/chain and I have much less problems.

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Panini_aux_olives wrote:

What is important is your evasion vs your accuracy, based on this formula:

Chance to Evade = 1 - Attacker's Accuracy / ( Attacker's Accuracy + (Defender's Evasion / 4) ^ 0.8 )

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Y0UR wrote:

1) You're using Tabula with only 3.5k life and have a pretty low life threshold
2) Also what is your accuracy rating? If it's over 2000, reflect becomes a big problem
3) Are you using Lionseye?
4) Added fire damage is deadly. CWDT doesn't help surviving it.

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The_pie_is_gewd wrote:

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Panini_aux_olives wrote:

What is important is your evasion vs your accuracy, based on this formula:

Chance to Evade = 1 - Attacker's Accuracy / ( Attacker's Accuracy + (Defender's Evasion / 4) ^ 0.8 )

If I understand this correctly (my math is a bit rusty), then I get 0.19 as the chance to evade. (My evasion is 6730 and Accuracy - 1623).

It seems to me very hard to find a good balance. Even with having low accuracy (1600) and high evasion (10k) the chance to evade would be 0.24, which I think is underwhelming.

I know I need more life, I just can't afford it right now. This is my first character and my gear is not great (mostly mediocre life rolls). I lucked out with finding Tabula Rasa and Drillneck in maps. I would use a regular evasion chest if I had the resources to buy one that's decent and has at least 5 links.

I love having lots of damage, it's fun. And I hate that this game punishes you for that.

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Y0UR wrote:

1) You're using Tabula with only 3.5k life and have a pretty low life threshold
2) Also what is your accuracy rating? If it's over 2000, reflect becomes a big problem
3) Are you using Lionseye?
4) Added fire damage is deadly. CWDT doesn't help surviving it.

My Accuracy is 1623, No, I'm using a regular harbinger. I'm not using added fire, I have TS with GMP, Crit chance, Crit dmg, Phys dmg, Pierce.


I don't have an Immortal Call set up by the way, as I'm having trouble getting 4 red sockets on my equipment.

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Y0UR wrote:

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The_pie_is_gewd wrote:

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Panini_aux_olives wrote:

What is important is your evasion vs your accuracy, based on this formula:

Chance to Evade = 1 - Attacker's Accuracy / ( Attacker's Accuracy + (Defender's Evasion / 4) ^ 0.8 )

If I understand this correctly (my math is a bit rusty), then I get 0.19 as the chance to evade. (My evasion is 6730 and Accuracy - 1623).

It seems to me very hard to find a good balance. Even with having low accuracy (1600) and high evasion (10k) the chance to evade would be 0.24, which I think is underwhelming.

I know I need more life, I just can't afford it right now. This is my first character and my gear is not great (mostly mediocre life rolls). I lucked out with finding Tabula Rasa and Drillneck in maps. I would use a regular evasion chest if I had the resources to buy one that's decent and has at least 5 links.

I love having lots of damage, it's fun. And I hate that this game punishes you for that.

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Y0UR wrote:

1) You're using Tabula with only 3.5k life and have a pretty low life threshold
2) Also what is your accuracy rating? If it's over 2000, reflect becomes a big problem
3) Are you using Lionseye?
4) Added fire damage is deadly. CWDT doesn't help surviving it.

My Accuracy is 1623, No, I'm using a regular harbinger. I'm not using added fire, I have TS with GMP, Crit chance, Crit dmg, Phys dmg, Pierce.


I don't have an Immortal Call set up by the way, as I'm having trouble getting 4 red sockets on my equipment.

Use at least a 3 link with CWDT+IC+EC. Increased duration is useful, but not a must have. I'm confident that the lack of those gems causes a big part of your deathes.