[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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Leguleyo wrote:
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Ithilien wrote:
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soilwork3r wrote:
I just tried champion phys bow and is insanely strong, previously i had 90 phys bow raider and it looks weak in comparison with champion. Perma 18 movespeed is very good for mapping ( and does not depend on frenzy charges like raider does)
It has same clearspeed capabilities like ranger but on top of that there is broken fortify with 22 all damage reduction. With that i could easily resign from dodge and saved 5 points by that. Also with daresso, rats nest, maligaro and rare boots + onslaught flask with armor suffix i got 5k armor, 6k evasion + 1.6sec immortall call due to daresso charges. No wonder champion is most picked class atm (excluding ascendant but its only one way for scion, while duelist got 3 ascendancies)

Tldr : want godlike phys bow : go champion


Can you share your tree? I'd like to play this in HC, but I never played a bow Duelist and I don't really know how to go about it efficiently.


This is my build, just the duelist version of the ranger tree, I prefer to start with the increased physical damage passives for the extra life.

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https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAQAAQBeBS0FtQYjCC4IiQ2NFewWvxmOIXYj0yP2JP0mlS5TMHEwfDH6MgEylDY9N9Q51DpCPs9DMUd-Sn1LeEz_TZJOKlFHVUtVhVb6Whpbr11oYeJirGVNbIxtbHBSdO11y3X9dvd673sUfXV_An8rhG-Gzod2idOK8Iw2jX2Nfo2_j2CVBZrxmyadqqCfoaSly6bgp9Swq7IZtUi3trkdu-O9Nr3mvqfBM8MzxILEosqpz3rTb9N-1CPUQtnG2sHdqOHb45_nVOd06NbqYu0_7YPuDu96_MX-uv7I_94=



This looks very interesting, will try this for sure just need to get my hands on a good phys bow as i am using Lioneye's Glare from the start and reflect hurts to much ;) could i ask you to post the rest of your gear here.
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the8wicked wrote:
Hey everyone. I haven't played for a long time and now my skill tree is reset (lvl 78 ranger, softcore).
I'd like some advice with builds. I used to play tornado shot and it was fun.
Few questions:

1. I've been told LA is better than tornado now? But I need Voltaxic for that?
2. How much would a Voltaxic cost so it would be an upgrade for me? (I've got 1ex 16chaos).

Also noticed that Neversink's Tornado build is very similar to many other physical builds regarding the skill tree.
3. So I guess I could try out a few different builds without respecing much?


Here's my gear for reference:
Most physical crit bow builds are pretty similar.
LA is good, not sure vs TS with the same gear as I only run voltaxic now. The voltaxic build is different though than a physical build.
hey guys i recent got a windripper and im trying to get the link for the passive tree but i believe its outdated can somone show me the new one or could it be updated pls ty
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the8wicked wrote:
Hey everyone. I haven't played for a long time and now my skill tree is reset (lvl 78 ranger, softcore).
I'd like some advice with builds. I used to play tornado shot and it was fun.
Few questions:

1. I've been told LA is better than tornado now? But I need Voltaxic for that?
2. How much would a Voltaxic cost so it would be an upgrade for me? (I've got 1ex 16chaos).

Also noticed that Neversink's Tornado build is very similar to many other physical builds regarding the skill tree.
3. So I guess I could try out a few different builds without respecing much?


Here's my gear for reference:


LA is better for AoE clearing. You need a ST skill to go with it. TS is pretty solid for both AoE and ST.

That said, you can easily switch to LA using the same build as TS. LA + PtL means you'll be doing 100% elemental damage so you need to be wary of elemental reflect, but you can do a ton of damage.

You don't need Voltaxic, but it IS a very powerful build. You can get a lower-end Voltaxic for around 1ex, maybe less. However the skill tree has a few significant changes that are necessary, as well as the item requirements. I think it's much easier to gear a standard Harbinger Physical-TS build cheaply. If you want to switch to Voltaxic, you will need to make sure you have the right mods for your jewelry/quiver/etc. Read Mathil's guide if interested. Just make sure to pick one or the other. You'll be wasting currency if you try to flip-flop between. Pick one and stick with it, at least til you're rich.
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Ithilien wrote:
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soilwork3r wrote:
I just tried champion phys bow and is insanely strong, previously i had 90 phys bow raider and it looks weak in comparison with champion. Perma 18 movespeed is very good for mapping ( and does not depend on frenzy charges like raider does)
It has same clearspeed capabilities like ranger but on top of that there is broken fortify with 22 all damage reduction. With that i could easily resign from dodge and saved 5 points by that. Also with daresso, rats nest, maligaro and rare boots + onslaught flask with armor suffix i got 5k armor, 6k evasion + 1.6sec immortall call due to daresso charges. No wonder champion is most picked class atm (excluding ascendant but its only one way for scion, while duelist got 3 ascendancies)

Tldr : want godlike phys bow : go champion


Can you share your tree? I'd like to play this in HC, but I never played a bow Duelist and I don't really know how to go about it efficiently.


first of all i wouldnt go with build Leguleyo suggested.
key of the champion is using armor//evasion (since tree gives u 45//45bonus + there are few similar nodes in duelist tree), thats why there is no point in going acrobatics with duelists build because it cuts ur armor by half (which is much in my case) + its 6 points to get there.
also revenge of the hunted is not that good - not worthy spending 4 dex to get there.
also more life leech + vaal pact are mandatory with duelist. that way you are able to sortof "facetank" damage by leeching + its really good (i can do reflect maps without swapping gems)

this is my tree so far with lvl 86 :
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAQDAABeBiMILgiJCpsNjQ-rES8WvxmKGY4brSF2I9Mj9iSLJP0mlSo4LJQwfDH6MpQ2PTnUPs9DMUd-Sn1M_02STipRR1O7VP5VS1WFWhpbr11oXzlh4mIXYqxlTWyMbydwUnXLdf1293jrexR71H11fwJ_K4RvhJSGzod2iXGJ04rwjDaNfY1-j2CUuJUFlwaaaprxmy2dqqCfoaSly6bgp9Swq7VIt7a5HbvjvTa95r6nv9XBM8MzwzrEgsSiyqnTftRC2cbh2-Of5wrnVOlG6mLrY-xc7YPvevlj_MX-uv7I_94=

key to this build is proper gear, especially daresso defiance, or for levelling belly is even better i would say 50-80 bonus life from belly is good, but later on with enough +% life nodes daresso is getting better because it provides more eva//armor, 6% dodge, and which is most important are those endurance charges which are easy to max and provide us with phys resistance + 1,6sec immortall call (from cwdt) this thing is very usefull on high lvl maps.
with my previous ranger build i was afraid of some mid tier "deadly bossess" like tunneltrap//spinner
and now i can even "tank them".
of course its not pure tank build especially with lots of move speed key here is to evading attacks by positioning, using blink arrow clone + ballista. but even so pure dodge + acrobatics of ranger wouldnt save me from 1hitko from some bossess, and now i can survive much more due to armor + fortify.
another important piece is rats nest. it gives lots of eva, good dps and move speed.
gloves are debatable i was using maligaro at the beggining but now with high crit base bow i swapped to facebreaker and it boosted dps by 6%
boots should be rare to buff hp + provide some resists
belt needs to be like this :

lota of armor + life is mandatory+ some resists wouldnt hurt, phys variant of the one i linked would be even better for this build.
rare//amu//quiver all rare with life, phys dmg, res , int and a bit of str (111int//str is min)
about gems typical phys la//blast rain setups are main key (5l/6l) cdwt+ic, ice golem, herald of ash, hatred is mandatory too
as "utility" i use blink arrow + siege ballista, and frenzy + curse on hit + assassins mark for boss fights + maintaining frenzy.

however for hc i would probably change some things in tree (more life), and maybe darkray vectors for more dodge chance (but then it might be hard to cap resists)
Last edited by soilwork3r#6178 on Mar 22, 2016, 11:11:28 AM
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hekkktorr wrote:
hey there,

can you please have a look on what i should improve next and my gem setup ?
feeling kinda squishy right now.

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furthermore i cant decide which bow to use, since its stated that lioneyes glare isnt that good:



my stats so far:
Lvl 70, 3300HP,reistances capped, about 40%critchance, about 300% crit multi, 8-10k LA DPS

skilltree:
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https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAICAABeBbUGIwguCIkKmw2NE9oVQxa_GY4hdiPTI_YmlTBxMHwx-jKUNj051DpCPs9KfUt4TP9Nkk4qUUdU_lVLVYVbr11oYeJirGyMbWxwUnX9dvd463sUfXV_An8rhG-Gzod2idOMNo19jb-PYJS4lQWa8ZuNnaqgn6Gkpcum4KfUsQG1SLvjvebBM8FJxKLI3Mqpz17TftQj1ELZxt2o4dvjn-cK53To1usU7YPvevlj_MX-Hf66_sg=?accountName=hekkktorr&characterName=Schnorrer



would appreciate any advice,
thanks in advance


i have some more questions =):

regarding the lioneyes glare "hits cant be evaded"-mod, whats the point in running ele reflect maps anyway ?
shouldnt we avoid running unid maps because of the chance of no leech mods ?
will lioneyes glare be a top endgame bow when not running ele reflect ?

is AM really the best curse for this build ? what about poachers mark or enfeeble/temp chains for bosses only ?
Last edited by hekkktorr#5472 on Mar 22, 2016, 11:55:01 AM
Hi guys, need some advice: which gems benefit the most for a 20% quality? I have almost maxed TS, GMP, PTL and WED. Which gem do I take to max quality first?

Also, I have a 19/20% PTL, what can happen if I vaal it? Can it become worse than a 20/20 PTL?

Thanks in advance.
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Mozzanator wrote:
Hi guys, need some advice: which gems benefit the most for a 20% quality? I have almost maxed TS, GMP, PTL and WED. Which gem do I take to max quality first?

Also, I have a 19/20% PTL, what can happen if I vaal it? Can it become worse than a 20/20 PTL?

Thanks in advance.


PTL is very strong with quality. 10% increased physical and lightning damage.
GMP is quite strong with 10% attack speed.

TS and WED are decent, but only have 10% increased projectile/elemental damage. Still worthwhile to do, maybe not quite as strong.

Vaaling PTL can

1) Do nothing but corrupt it as is
2) Add or Subtract 1 level
3) Add or Subtract 1%-10% quality (23% max)
Guys,

I think there is a significantly better tree route from Ranger to Duelist than stated in this guide.

The Duelist route goes through Quickstep, which is quite meh. To hit the Dex point near King of the Hill from Ranger (Finesse) takes 7 nodes, through Quickstep, and gives:

+40 dex,
12% attack speed,
8% movement speed.

However, we are already using Ondar's guile (Arrow Dance). So, to go to King of the Hill from there requires only 4 nodes. This gives 3 nodes in hand, which could well be spent to achieve Graceful Assault. THIS approach gives:

+40 dex,
+24% Evasion,
+16% increased Attack Damage
25% increased Evasion when you have Onslaught
10% change to gain Onslaught for 3 seconds on kill (20% increased attack and movement)

...for the same number of nodes.

AND it works beautifully well with the Pathfinder ascendancy route.

Food for thought?

A.
What do you guys think about playing the scion tree but with assassin and berserker as ascendancy classes?

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