[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

something on your end, definitely

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MuFeR wrote:

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PsOfOs wrote:

Good for you that you don't need upgrade. All I'm saying is one cannot just tell people "go and run phys reflect maps with this build".
It needs certain dps and gear compromises to run such a map. That's all.

You got a 130exa weapon not even 0.1% of the people that follow this guide have such a weapon. And what a huge compromise to get 2 extra gems when some of your gear pieces cost 100exa+ each so your clear speed wont change at all if I had to guess, also this build actually mentions

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NeverSink wrote:

I highly recommend runing manual EC for higher maps. It'll save your life a lot.

So as you see what I suggested is PART of the build so yes I can go ahead and say "go and run phys reflect maps with this build", just because you don't want to follow this certain part of it because you only want to run at max speed doesn't mean I'm wrong and most certainly doesn't make it a different build.

I don't get the aggresion. Did i speak of my weapon? Did i speak bad for yours? Go and run phys reflect then if the guide says so,no problem.

Thanks for this guide but the links to the skill tree is broken, can you update them?

Hey guys!

I finally managed to get my hands on a 340+pdps harbinger bow, with 9+ crit, and it turned out to be a really huge disappointment for me. Sure it is nice to oneshot rare mob groups and exiles, but the thrash clearing speed is kinda pathetic compared to my Ice Arrow + Chain + Lioneye's combination, which I ran beforehand. Basically, my problem is that my clearspeed hasn't improved at all despite the huge investment I made, which is incredibly depressing, since I spent 1/2 of my currency on a single piece of equipment. Am I doing something wrong? Anybody else experienced the same issues? My tornado tooltip is over 41k, with rather imperfect gear.

The only positive side is that I don't need a single target combo anymore, so there is a free 5l setup for a new skill combination. I'm thinking about running a 2nd CoH setup, with Frenzy+GMP+CoH+Enfeeble/Warlords+5th gem. I would appreciate some suggestions though.

No LG anymore, u need to start to care about accuracy from now on.

cant open the skill trees either anyone else have this?

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idrgz wrote:

cant open the skill trees either anyone else have this?

I suppose poedb.tw is down, ppl in reddit says permanently but i still hope to reopen, it was very useful.

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phobia90s wrote:

Hey guys!

I finally managed to get my hands on a 340+pdps harbinger bow, with 9+ crit, and it turned out to be a really huge disappointment for me. Sure it is nice to oneshot rare mob groups and exiles, but the thrash clearing speed is kinda pathetic compared to my Ice Arrow + Chain + Lioneye's combination, which I ran beforehand. Basically, my problem is that my clearspeed hasn't improved at all despite the huge investment I made, which is incredibly depressing, since I spent 1/2 of my currency on a single piece of equipment. Am I doing something wrong? Anybody else experienced the same issues? My tornado tooltip is over 41k, with rather imperfect gear.

The only positive side is that I don't need a single target combo anymore, so there is a free 5l setup for a new skill combination. I'm thinking about running a 2nd CoH setup, with Frenzy+GMP+CoH+Enfeeble/Warlords+5th gem. I would appreciate some suggestions though.

You're not doing anything wrong. Because of the auto-hit mechanic from Chain you will hit mobs more easily. That's why going SA-Chain often has a bit faster clearspeed than TS-GMP. However, the big benefit of TS is that it is perfect both single, and multi target. Another reason why I personally like TS over any Chain mechanis is that you are able to point where the bulk of your damage will go. That's a nice benefit for e.g. maps with a lot of totems.

One thing you can do to further improve your clearspeed with TS is switch out the FA gem for WED. That will give you a bigger dps boost because of the synergy with PtL. Plus, you'll be more mana efficient.

As for the 5L curse setup, I'd suggest going for Frenzy-GMP-Chain-CoH-Assassin's Mark. So you have 1 attack for both Frenzy, and Power charges. Replace the CoH setup on your helmet for something else. You could build in another defensive CWDT, or use Vaal Haste, and the Ice Golem.

Hope this helps. Cheers

fix the skill tree please pal

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MuFeR wrote:

For split arrow it's a different story because you don't use physical to lightning gem which halves your physical dmg, and yeah my bow may not be high dps (I'll just go along with that since similar bows cost9ex so you can't say it's low dps either) but I still kill white trash in 1hit so I don't see how higher dps would make a difference since overkill doesnt count for reflect.

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overkill damage both leeches and reflects, and if you leech insufficiently but deal a huge burst of damage that reflects from overkill, you would still get chunked with vaal pact.

source: http://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1hfhdl/psa_kripparian_was_wrong_about_reflect_damage/

So yes, it counts.

And in this case also, DPS =/= damage per hit. You can have 300dps with 3 aps bow or 300 dps with 1 aps. With the first one you might take a shot and loose, say half of your life, with second one you will kill yourself, yet they have the same dps....

So 2 points here:

1. Overkill dmg does count

2. DPS is Average damage per shot multiplied by attack speed (I am captain obvious). My point is, you can have a 300dps Thicket bow with 1.88 aps but it wont be one-shoting things like 300dps harbringer with 1.2 aps.