[3.0] NeverSink's ♣ INDEPTH Tornado&Archer Guide ♣ Beginner friendly ♣ Rapid clear ♣ All bosses

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momonami5 wrote:

how are people getting 60k damage on TS? mine only like 2000 dps.... I thought I was awesome until I seen this now I feel like i'm doing something wrong.

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DoctaLinker wrote:

Just waiting for the update. I hope you find out a solution for this to-ground nerf that they did to Tornado Shot.

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DoctaLinker wrote:

Just waiting for the update. I hope you find out a solution for this to-ground nerf that they did to Tornado Shot.

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DoctaLinker wrote:

Weren't we? We don't shotgun anymore and that's a real nerf, isn't it?

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NeverSink wrote:

I was testing tornado shot earlier. The clearspeed is quite fine, but the damage is more concentrated, SA just has this "shoot and forget" comfort due to chain, while TS can focus it's damage on a spot, while still doing a lot of AOE damage.

Shotgunning is defined by GGG as "multiple initial projectiles fired at the same time can hit the same target more than once". This was never the case for TS.

From the initial 100% pierce arrows, a target can only be hit by one arrow at the same time. The secondary effect that can overlap was not defined as "shotgunning" (it's more like a "cluster explosion" and was not hit by the shotgun change either).

Yeah, I'm reuploading the video right now. Simply decided to cut out the music. Thanks though.

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AllSunsDawn wrote:

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DoctaLinker wrote:

Weren't we? We don't shotgun anymore and that's a real nerf, isn't it?

Please refer to the bolded part (and explanation if you wish):

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NeverSink wrote:

I was testing tornado shot earlier. The clearspeed is quite fine, but the damage is more concentrated, SA just has this "shoot and forget" comfort due to chain, while TS can focus it's damage on a spot, while still doing a lot of AOE damage.

Shotgunning is defined by GGG as "multiple initial projectiles fired at the same time can hit the same target more than once". This was never the case for TS.

From the initial 100% pierce arrows, a target can only be hit by one arrow at the same time. The secondary effect that can overlap was not defined as "shotgunning" (it's more like a "cluster explosion" and was not hit by the shotgun change either).

Yeah, I'm reuploading the video right now. Simply decided to cut out the music. Thanks though.

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AllSunsDawn wrote:

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DoctaLinker wrote:

Just waiting for the update. I hope you find out a solution for this to-ground nerf that they did to Tornado Shot.

We got nerfed to the ground?

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NeverSink wrote:

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AllSunsDawn wrote:

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DoctaLinker wrote:

Just waiting for the update. I hope you find out a solution for this to-ground nerf that they did to Tornado Shot.

We got nerfed to the ground?

TS lost 10% damage (still has WAY more damage than before).

The true nerfs was the Ondals Guile, CWDT and aura nerfs. Those three affect everyone though. The build is still working perfectly!

I've updated the skilltree and parts of the first post, will take care of the other sections soon enough. I really dig the new tree :)

Note: The skilltree is working for Split arrow / Tornado Shot / LA / Ice Arrow!

Also renamed the post. It's now officially a Archer guide, not only TS (now that OTHER skills are not trash anymore). TS is still good though!

I'll also update the tree for Ele/Windripper variations soon