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SecomniA wrote:
Can i use curse on hit + assassin's mark ? or should i do like your vaal haste build

Btw thanks for the amazing detailed guide


I consider TS/Puncture, Herald, and CWDT Links mandatory. What you do with the last 4L is up to you really.

Split Arrow - CoH - Assassin's Mark works well, imo. I used that for a really long time before transitioning to Vaal Haste/Blink etc
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SecomniA wrote:
Can i use curse on hit + assassin's mark ? or should i do like your vaal haste build

Btw thanks for the amazing detailed guide


If your crit rate is low to moderate and you like moving quickly then CoH with Assassin's Mark provides a good damage increase for the extra crit chance. It also helps keep your mana up if you struggle going OOM while spamming TS.

Vaal Haste (I'd also put Vaal Grace in the 4 link for survivability) also works well and gives you flexibility to burst damage when you need it.

Both have their uses, I'd try them both and see which fits your play style best.
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I can't really figure out what I need to work on... I have fairly decent gear, I understand the class, but I just can't nail down something and I don't know what it is. I'm kind of stuck on 74 maps, I just can't do 75 or 76. I can assume it's not the 3 levels, since I was doing 71 maps at 66... but I could use some help from someone pretty knowledgeable on what I can fix. Let me know what info I need to provide and I will. For now here are the basics...

Last edited by indirect#2409 on Apr 28, 2015, 12:48:56 PM
your gear is fine, better than mine posted on page 178 in this thread. http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1041989/page/178#p10126357
Do some leveling, get rid of the manaleech gem, use another damge link and get manaleech in tree or on some gear.
As soon as you're doing some crits get the "king of the hill" tree notable. Consider respeccing some ineffective tree points as the OP describes in his guide.

Where are your Aura/heralds? :)
Last edited by Rumpelzuck#5726 on Apr 28, 2015, 1:20:10 PM
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Rumpelzuck wrote:
your gear is fine, better than mine posted on page 178 in this thread. http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1041989/page/178#p10126357
Do some leveling, get rid of the manaleech gem, use another damge link and get manaleech in tree or on some gear.
As soon as you're doing some crits get the "king of the hill" tree notable. Consider respeccing some ineffective tree points as the OP describes in his guide.

Where are your Aura/heralds? :)


I linked my old passive tree, oops

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgIAAF4FtQguCIkPqxUgFr8Zjhm0Gf4bASLiIuoj9iaVKlss6TBxMHwylDnUOkJHfkfiSn1LeE2SUUdS7FM1VUtdaGHiYqxlTWegbIxv8nGhd9d9dX8CfyuCXod2jX2Nv49PlQWa8ZuNm7WdqqCfoaSjiqQ5puCn1K-nsTC0xbUIu-O9Nr6nwuzKqcrTzerQgdN-1CPWitnG3BXdDd2o4dvjn-jW6xTtg-4O73r2o_lj_MX-uv7I

I have 7 refunds, but I don't know where to replace atm, because I don't understand how you could ever pass up things like Avatar of the Hunt, Ballistic Mastery, etc. I took those two out and lost over 3k dps.

I'm already at 3200 HP... I can't fathom how losing 3k dps is going to help me... ever... in any build.

I can't run Aura or Heralds because I go oom in seconds with them on, same reason I have the Mana Leech on atm.. I'd rather run pierce obviously - but I can't without ML.
Last edited by indirect#2409 on Apr 28, 2015, 1:36:41 PM
@indirect: remove that mana leech gem, really. You'll get 30-40% more damage by replacing it with a dps support (like pierce, added fire or wed). Get ml from tree or gear. 3 points on tree can't compete with 30-40% more damage. This alone could be enough to break your 74 maps wall. Also you don't enough crit right now for increase crit multi to be profitable. Replace with added fire damage.

On tree: lots of wasted points and not enough crit & life. If possible, try to refund the projectile starting route to get Assassination. If you don't have enough regret and refund points to do it, just restart, it should be quite fast. You would be much more tanky with this kind of tree (or this).

And where are hatred and herald of hash ? that's 51% extra damage at lvl 20. don't forget your can recolor corrupted gear with Vorici. Ideal colors are rrgb according to me: reduced mana, hatred, hoa, utility (curse, prolif, purity of elt).
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Last edited by Panini_aux_olives#1967 on Apr 28, 2015, 1:41:08 PM
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Panini_aux_olives wrote:
@indirect: remove that mana leech gem, really. You'll get 30-40% more damage by replacing it with a dps support (like pierce, added fire or wed). Get ml from tree or gear. 3 points on tree can't compete with 30-40% more damage. This alone could be enough to break your 74 maps wall. Also you don't enough crit right now for increase crit multi to be profitable. Replace with added fire damage.

On tree: lots of wasted points and not enough crit & life. If possible, try to refund the projectile starting route to get Assassination. If you don't have enough regret and refund points to do it, just restart, it should be quite fast. You would be much more tanky with this kind of tree (or this).

And where are hatred and herald of hash ? that's 51% extra damage at lvl 20. don't forget your can recolor corrupted gear with Vorici. Ideal colors are rrgb according to me: reduced mana, hatred, hoa, utility (curse, prolif, purity of elt).


On my bow I have ICS/ICD should I get gggrr and do fire dmg and wed (that's on puncture) and then just wed for tshot? trying to do ggggr?

I am getting hoash and hatred, waiting on a trade for q20s

I have 3359 HP right now on my current tree, that's really not enough?

Ok, just did a 91pt refund, what build do you guys recommend most, the on on the FP still or one on another page?
Last edited by indirect#2409 on Apr 28, 2015, 2:16:45 PM
So what happens to this build now that Ondar's is garbage?
@indirect: i would recolour the chest, GGGGRB, R: increased Fire, Weapon Ele Damage or Life Leech or LGOH in Reflect Maps, B: Crit Damage or Phys2Lightning for PhysReflect Maps
G: Tornado, GMP, PPAD, Pierce. Don't use faster attack because of going oom. The Glare is already very fast.

I like Panini's 2nd tree link more, because it's more like my own tree :) It also give some more INT.
Adapt it to your needs. Resis capped? (don't mind -60 Chaos) Enough Attributes? Use +30 INT or Strenght if you need them until you get better Gear.

For Aura/Herald you need high level reduced mana and hatred. No Quali needed on them. For HOA Quali is nice but not essential.
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Rumpelzuck wrote:
@indirect: i would recolour the chest, GGGGRB, R: increased Fire, Weapon Ele Damage or Life Leech or LGOH in Reflect Maps, B: Crit Damage or Phys2Lightning for PhysReflect Maps
G: Tornado, GMP, PPAD, Pierce. Don't use faster attack because of going oom. The Glare is already very fast.

I like Panini's 2nd tree link more, because it's more like my own tree :) It also give some more INT.
Adapt it to your needs. Resis capped? (don't mind -60 Chaos) Enough Attributes? Use +30 INT or Strenght if you need them until you get better Gear.

For Aura/Herald you need high level reduced mana and hatred. No Quali needed on them. For HOA Quali is nice but not essential.


Ok, this is what I'm looking at now. I don't have any oom problems and I'm clearing plateaus with ease now.

Now to work on being able to do shrines ez pz :D

Last edited by indirect#2409 on Apr 28, 2015, 4:14:42 PM

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