Bad content positionning

I just got a mirage in the boss section of underground sea map.

First off, in the map, the boss area was packed from side to side. All filled. Like 4-8 packs of rares and magic. Horrible

Even worst in the mirage, so many units you're stuck as soon as you get in. I activated Vaal grace (tough to get an op character in Ruthless), didn't matter, I was popped with a soft mod map.

Getting out of that in Ruthless with no movement skill gems, impossible.

You just pop.

Horrible. Frustratring.

Really sh*tty experience.

If you still have access to that Map instance, it would help GGG a lot if you re-enter it and use the /bug chat command. Otherwise it won't be possible for them to investigate your report.

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JmLamb#0572 wrote:

I just got a mirage in the boss section of underground sea map.

First off, in the map, the boss area was packed from side to side. All filled. Like 4-8 packs of rares and magic. Horrible

Even worst in the mirage, so many units you're stuck as soon as you get in. I activated Vaal grace (tough to get an op character in Ruthless), didn't matter, I was popped with a soft mod map.

Getting out of that in Ruthless with no movement skill gems, impossible.

You just pop.

Horrible. Frustratring.

Really sh*tty experience.

I experienced the same, but I'm not playing ruthless. For me it was exciting. I learned to expect the possibility that i might be surrounded on entering the mirage, so i was ready with my skills, but i wasn't prepared for the entire screen to be densely packed. In the time it took me to summon all 12 fusillades and for them to launch, the mob took me down to 1 health...no red in the life bar...and then the fusillades launched, whole screed cleared, life refilled from vampirism. It was probably one of the most exciting moments i have had playing the game.

A movement skill is not optional. If you have no movement skill you are torturing yourself and making the game unnecessarily difficult. I hear people complain about the lightning totems; well, don't stand in them. That is the very reason the movement skills exist; so that you can get out of a situation of being surrounded that would otherwise be certain death.

Instead of complaining that it was too hard, think of how you can modify your build to counter such a situation. You already know that the reason you died in that situation was because you had no movement skill. So should GGG alter the game so that you never experience that situation, or should you pick up a movement skill?

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ScottSteven8295#4411 wrote:

A movement skill is not optional. If you have no movement skill you are torturing yourself and making the game unnecessarily difficult. I hear people complain about the lightning totems; well, don't stand in them. That is the very reason the movement skills exist; so that you can get out of a situation of being surrounded that would otherwise be certain death.

Instead of complaining that it was too hard, think of how you can modify your build to counter such a situation. You already know that the reason you died in that situation was because you had no movement skill. So should GGG alter the game so that you never experience that situation, or should you pick up a movement skill?

OP is playing Ruthless. There is only one very shitty movement skill in Ruthless: Quickstep. It has a 10s cooldown and can't pass through monsters or terrain. So it's not negligence that made OP not use a movement skill, it's their choice of game mode.

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JmLamb#0572 wrote:

Horrible. Frustratring.

Tbf, this sums up most people's attitude towards Ruthless as a whole. For "benchies" the situation you describe sounds like a treat. But I get that it is different in Ruthless. I guess it doesn't get as much attention and QA as the "normal" game, so the balance will be off sometimes.

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twostroketom#5281 wrote:

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ScottSteven8295#4411 wrote:

OP is playing Ruthless. There is only one very shitty movement skill in Ruthless: Quickstep. It has a 10s cooldown and can't pass through monsters or terrain. So it's not negligence that made OP not use a movement skill, it's their choice of game mode.

Ah, that's the missing piece that makes it all make sense. From my naive perspective it seemed like OP was just trying to tank everything.

I have heard other complains of several situations where GGG seemingly creates impossible situations and provides no way to counter it. Map mods that cripple and shut down entire build styles with no viable way to build around it. A lot of people seem to be complaining about flask siphon right now.

My mirage encounter truly was exciting, precisely because it pushed my current build to the edge but i was able to recover from it. If i had not just upgraded my attack speed i would not have survived.

But i will say also. The first time i encountered Maligaro i thought I was loosing because of sadistic design. It seemed impossible. But coming back to it a second time with the same build and lessons learned, i realized my build was just crappy the first time.

The game is carefully designed. It looks messy and chaotic, but there is sort of method under the madness. I would not be surprised if GGG has already built in a threshold of survivability for those situations. They did not create these encounters and include no way to win the encounter.