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Bound by destiny beasts? similar to watchers eye.

invitations for incarnations?
dont have it on feared, make its own invite for all 3 of them?
(its not an issue on feared its just way too time consuming to farm for the lackluster rewards)

Shaper?
can we change/remove the 4side bosses alrdy... its a 5-6min fight while other pinnacle fights are 1-2min(if even)

Yeeah shaper is just a super old fight at this point, same for elder and all of its guardian bosses with their unskippable cutscene 2-hour animations you have to wait to even enter their arena. All those fights need some kinda rework, sure its cool doing Shaper for the first time and going through all his immunity phases and maps of monsters to get back to him, but the 100th time its just boring.

The way they reworked Catarina in Betrayal is exactly what they should do, now she has no immunity phases, you just get her hp from 100 to 0 and that's it. Nice and simple, no weird raid boss mechanics where you need to stand in the 4 corners or anything like that. Immunity phases just suck.


All those bosses from that era are just from like 10+ years ago, they just need to be brought up to modern standards. It should just be you and the boss in an arena, and you fight him and he does some mechanics inside it and that's it. Not 3 maps within the bossfight like with Shaper lol

Ye i can see there having to be something in Shaper for the first timers, but for the people with thousands of hours and hundreds of shaper kills, just doin 4sets becomes a "chore" and not actually enjoyable, whilst elder is pretty chill to do.

There is still fear in accidentaly tanking malachais slam and getting 1 shot. I don't mind it, maybe have all 4 bosses in 1 room like destructive play but dont remove them completely.

although at this point i think some people just want the boss to spawn and splat if they do 100m dps and not need to fight all their guardians.

All that progression is necessary.

I think some people just prefer phone games.

yea thats my issue aswell with changing it too much, but something needs to be updated it feels like, maybe keep the uber shaper the same, but the normal shaper is just straight up shaper? i dunno what.
But it just feels like something needs to change.

the uber elder fight with shaper is fun and engaging, while the normal shaper just doesnt feel engaging at all and a running simulator

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GrannyApple#5734 wrote:

yea thats my issue aswell with changing it too much, but something needs to be updated it feels like, maybe keep the uber shaper the same, but the normal shaper is just straight up shaper? i dunno what.
But it just feels like something needs to change.

the uber elder fight with shaper is fun and engaging, while the normal shaper just doesnt feel engaging at all and a running simulator

I think most people just want to be able to go in there on a build with 200m dps and kill him in 3 seconds. Thats pretty much how every d4 uber boss is. Its a shame that builds can do this in hc with like 12 hp on uber eater and farm nimis that way. All bosses need a damage pulsing mechanic that forces you to take damage before you attack the boss and the amount of damage it does gives you a debuff to where you take more damage every time you get hit by a dodgable ability.