Async Trade bots and browser extension issue

Hey,

This feature is a good addition, but is still very early in PoE 2. There is already bots to autobuy and auto teleport to hideout as soon as the trade pop in, leaving no chance to real players. They also don't charge objects and textures (black game).

I will of course not share any link, but you can find it easily on google yourself with words like hideout teleporter or autobuyer.

The current trade method has its flaws, but at least, a new player getting spammed know something is wrong and can do someting about it or ask for help.

Please consider a way to counter the bots and auto hideout teleporting from the trade website with a simple browser extension already working for PoE 2 before releasing it in PoE 1. For exemple, adding a timer locking the item if too much people teleport to the hideout as soon as the item is listed, for the seller to realize something is wrong.

Or simply adding the item as normal trade listing first for few minutes, with whispers, before switching to autotrade.

It probably most anticipated thing in next patch and you want to not add it? It's like saying "pls consider to not add Faustus, because bots probably will buy items faster. We like old way currency exchange, so unless you fix all shenanigans (like after another few years), pls not add it".

I didn't play in PoE 2, but i don't care if my items will be bought by bots, they still need currency to do it. And i still can buy second, third or even fifth offer, but without whispers at all.

If you don't know what something is worth, i.e "new player", you have plenty of options to avoid underselling.

1. Do some research, price with a more educated guess.
2. Use current trade system, it isnt going away.
3. Use new trade system, and start with a very high price, incrementally lowering it.


Asking GGG to leave out a new feature just to have better guard rails for new players is a slap in the face to more experienced players.

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Sephiloss#7981 wrote:

Hey,

This feature is a good addition, but is still very early in PoE 2. There is already bots to autobuy and auto teleport to hideout as soon as the trade pop in, leaving no chance to real players. They also don't charge objects and textures (black game).

I will of course not share any link, but you can find it easily on google yourself with words like hideout teleporter or autobuyer.

The current trade method has its flaws, but at least, a new player getting spammed know something is wrong and can do someting about it or ask for help.

Please consider a way to counter the bots and auto hideout teleporting from the trade website with a simple browser extension already working for PoE 2 before releasing it in PoE 1. For exemple, adding a timer locking the item if too much people teleport to the hideout as soon as the item is listed, for the seller to realize something is wrong.

Or simply adding the item as normal trade listing first for few minutes, with whispers, before switching to autotrade.

You have no proof of this.

live trade alerts are a thing, and as for new players getting got by bots, that's on them for not doing any research on their stuff

I love posts like this suggesting game companies just "deal with bots" as if that hasn't been an ever escalating arms race in every game ever, and even with the rootkit anticheats that online games have been using they still can't eliminate it. I can't think of a single game that has ever successfully solved botting.

Your first suggestion only ensures the fastest bot to click the teleport link will always get the item. Your second suggestion seems pretty meh, I can trivially update a script to watch a timer and initiate a teleprt the moment it would run out. Even random timers or random delays don't affect the fact that a bot can react faster than people. Maybe you could have the item appear to different groups of players on random stages, but even then the bot is going to be faster more often than not.


Overall it's not even really an issue. Those bots are providing liquidity to the market and self-correcting prices. If they're sniping from you it's because you're trying to buy things below their real value, just like in the last system when you didn't get responses from the first 20 price fixing posts.

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narg62#5820 wrote:

You have no proof of this.

It took you more time to answer this nonsense than making a search on YouTube with the tags i suggested to find the demo video of it.

For other answers : I am not a new player at all, but checking my profile would clearly be enough to get the picture. Don't get me wrong, I know the async trade is most needed nowadays with players mentality.

I know the game. To me the "it will not happen to me" is not a sufficient reason to justify the system that is too early on PoE 2 and is abused easily. If you miss your trades, you may end installing the browser extension too at least.

There is no reason to argue or fight, the tools are already available to abuse it, the system is already here, this post is just to inform on the situation and look for solutions. It is pretty clear that they will not delay it since the official reveal.

It needs a warning, if people use a simple browser extension to gain an advantage over those that don't for instant autoteleport on livesearch, that is not even against the ToU, it means the system is flawed. I hope it will be taken in considerarion. I personally don't think it's good for an another external tool to become mandatory again.

All your suggestions show that you do not understand how botting works or how it can be stopped.

Security through obscurity will never punish bots, always players.

Don't lowball your items, don't worry about "bots" snapping them up immediately.

Personally I don't care. They need currency to make trades, and I lowball on purpose to secure the currency immediately before the item deprecates in value like it always does.

I can't wait to be free from the current, terrible trade system.

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KBoris#0865 wrote:

All your suggestions show that you do not understand how botting works or how it can be stopped.

Security through obscurity will never punish bots, always players.

No. The suggestions are proposed since extensive observations on PoE 2 watching how this bots/extensions for hideout teleport/autobuy work (some tools like live search manager or poeaggregator are open source on github). I'm not talking about other bots we already know. The second one, putting the item 2-5 minutes on whisper before swapping to Async, would work to warn the user. It's just a fix, and it does not punish players as you receive a trade whisper anyway and have nothing to do for it to swap.

I don't say my suggestions are the good one, but the goal is to try to find a solution or have the position of GGG about this situation. If they are already aware of this extensions/bots for this scenario, they will do better than us to find a solution.

The browser extension of the instant "Travel to hideout" is way harder to deal with, it depends on how requests interact with the game (from API & Website), i don't have the details, but maybe a browser extension to trigger the button automatically is considered legit. Let's see how it evolves in the future or if the issue is brought by more popular players so the crowd follow it.

But i totally understand the hype for this improvement, apart this little issue, it's a crucial addition to the game.