New ascendancies make old ones feel like they were made on alpha

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iHiems#0168 wrote:

(which they were, probably)

The best way to describe it is that the new ascendancies feel like real classes while the old ones are just points on a skill tree, they just exist. It's as if those new ascendancies are something made in a month of high effort while the older ones were put together in a weekend

Imo if those older ascendancies don't get some massive rework, they will always feel lackluster in comparison. I don't mean some random buffs/nerfs like what the Gemling got, because it's not a matter of how strong or weak they are

It's about visual impact and feels, the new "you are this class" instead of the old "you get 5% more damage"

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zepberonha#9748 wrote:

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iHiems#0168 wrote:

(which they were, probably)

The best way to describe it is that the new ascendancies feel like real classes while the old ones are just points on a skill tree, they just exist. It's as if those new ascendancies are something made in a month of high effort while the older ones were put together in a weekend

Imo if those older ascendancies don't get some massive rework, they will always feel lackluster in comparison. I don't mean some random buffs/nerfs like what the Gemling got, because it's not a matter of how strong or weak they are

It's about visual impact and feels, the new "you are this class" instead of the old "you get 5% more damage"

Hmmm, yes and no. I think they want each class to have 1 complex ascendancy, 1 mid and 1 raw power.


If you look witch - infernalist is very complex, lich is mid, blood mage is simple raw power

Monk - martial artist is complex, chayula is mid, invoker raw power

Sorcerer - varastha is complex, chrono is mid, stormreaver is raw power, and so on.


even druid, we have oracle wich is raw power, and shaman that is either mid or complex ( need to look into the 3rd one yet)

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iHiems#0168 wrote:

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zepberonha#9748 wrote:

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iHiems#0168 wrote:

(which they were, probably)

The best way to describe it is that the new ascendancies feel like real classes while the old ones are just points on a skill tree, they just exist. It's as if those new ascendancies are something made in a month of high effort while the older ones were put together in a weekend

Imo if those older ascendancies don't get some massive rework, they will always feel lackluster in comparison. I don't mean some random buffs/nerfs like what the Gemling got, because it's not a matter of how strong or weak they are

It's about visual impact and feels, the new "you are this class" instead of the old "you get 5% more damage"

Hmmm, yes and no. I think they want each class to have 1 complex ascendancy, 1 mid and 1 raw power.


If you look witch - infernalist is very complex, lich is mid, blood mage is simple raw power

Monk - martial artist is complex, chayula is mid, invoker raw power

Sorcerer - varastha is complex, chrono is mid, stormreaver is raw power, and so on.


even druid, we have oracle wich is raw power, and shaman that is either mid or complex ( need to look into the 3rd one yet)

That sounds like a terrible excuse to be lazy with 2/3 of the ascendancies in the game, and I also don't think it's true at all. Furthermore, a class doesn't need complexity to be interesting/visually appealing/high effort

What's complex about taming a giant monkey boss and have it bonk mobs? It's more about the class having more impact and more going for them

There's nothing complex about infernalist, at most it's a little more unique than the og classes because of demon transformation and dog. It's as complex as blood mage or lich though

Now compare to something newer like Oracle and it's quite clear the difference, not to mention the two newer ones. Oracle has an entire passive tree hidden in the ascendancy, although it's still just raw numbers, it's obvious it's much more high effort than something like Lich

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zepberonha#9748 wrote:

Infernalist has so many mechanics that you can do crazy stuff with them