You win, d4 sucks

Trying out D4 has made me appreciate how much hard work and care has been put into poe2. Please give the new expansion and run so you know what to avoid in poe2's development. Thank you.
Last bumped on Apr 30, 2026, 6:39:24 AM
After buying base game like a month ago (due to huge discount) i can confirm that d4 is total dogshit. I`ll let myself to copypaste campaign feelings

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I will repeat myself yet again. POE2 is a seasonal game. Making campaign too much DIFFICULT is no go. People come back to start fresh and feeling of misery for the next 10-15 hours during a league start, is not in a priority list.


Making campaign too easy is a no go too. It already got nerfed so much boss fights are trivialized and 0.4 mechanic made progression even easier. Seriously like in another thread some guy claimed campaign is too difficult after 1k hrs playtime.

Are we even playing the same game? Poe2 campaign is easily best campaign experience we have in arpg genre which was already gutted by nerfs and people still want to trivialize it even more.

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D4 didn't remove it's campaign, they just provided a CHOICE to play or skip it.
And yet D4 is D4. A diffirent game, with a diffirent playerbase. Yet you people for some reason thinking that adding campaign skip made Blizzard shot themselves in a foot, but here we are. The game is still popular enough to keep the engine running, still receiving an updates and ready to launch the next expansion pack later this April that will bring a new piece of lore on top of new content.
While some POE2 players, constantly poking Diablo 4 and keep gatekeeping things, acting like a witnesses of the HOLY VISION. Repeating the same mantra over and over again that making campaign optional would permanently kill the game (which is not true) so rest of the playerbase should keep supporting the VISION while sacrificing their own enjoyment of the game.


Have You even played d4 campaign? As a matter of fact i played it this week. I knew it will be a waste of money but discount on ps store was too good to skip. And boy, let me tell you - while i defend poe2 campaign i would never repeat d4 campaign.

1 - pacing is broken for so many reasons i don`t even know where to start. Campaign is overloaded with too many unnecessary dialogues and cutscenes. There are situations where you finish cutscene just to be forced to start dialogue "what`s next" starting another cutscene. They tried to make it too story focused it broke arpg pacing completely. By the end i was seriously annoyed about that. Open world formula works against pacing too(or its implementation). While horsing you are sometimes forced to get off horse just to climb/crawl and hop on horse again while you just want to kill more monsters.

2 - balance is completely broken. I bought standard edition but afaik expansion makes it even worse. Difficulty levels are not helping. You either choose cakewalk levels or impossible to play levels. There is no middleground which takes all the enjoyment out of it.

3 - There is zero epicness in the campaign. Bossfights are dull, they even lack music. Comparing this to Geonor fight make d4 campaign simply funny experience.

Bonus - story is subjective topic. While d4 campaign had its moments it was definitely wasted potential by infantile netflix-like approach. But i don`t want to talk about that. Poe2 gives you easy way to skip all the story if you don`t care about that. You can zoom through zones, quest without caring at all about story. That`s not the case about d4. Amount of dialogues and cutscenes is too big and skipping them not that quick/simple as in poe2.

So if i was blizzard and knew how dogshit experience is their campaign i would allow optional skip too. Poe2 campaign is 10/10 experience in comparison and i don`t mind playing it two three times a season because it`s fun and polished. [/quote]


Now from what i saw in LoH not that many things changed. Except for final mephisto fight - this one is pretty dope. Waiting for larger endgame comments from the community. Some issues were apparently addressed but afaik its still far from acceptable.

Seems like earlier 0.5 release would crush LoH.
I can only confirm that. The finished Diablo 4 is such a letdown, and PoE 2 is only at version 0.4. PoE is so much better. I’m hoping for a great, fun 0.5 update.
I hadn't played D4 since it launched and I got bored on a Druid. I kind of forgot everything about it.

I decided to try out the new expansion last night out of curiousity and I started hc blind in the new campaign and have basically just been mindlessly clicking forward and have conquered every single encounter through brainless attrition and skill/potion spamming.

So far it's pretty forgettable and I don't get the "I can't wait to play this game" feeling that I get with PoE2. I almost feel obligated to complete it just to make sure I get my money's worth.

Another thing is after being used to the fluidity and responsiveness of combat in PoE2 it makes D4 feel like I'm piloting a robotic mannequin. A lot of it has to do with the cooldown on the dodge I think. I get it's scarce resource to use "wisely" but it just feels bad having constraints like that put on your ability to manage where your character is.

I do enjoy the Paladin archetype though and honestly it just makes me more eager to experience a similar class in PoE2 whenever Templar comes out lmao.

I'll admit I have only put in a few hours but so far nothing has really been memorable other than I enjoyed the well produced cinematics. I think they kind of over-do it on the cutscenes though.

Overall my D4 experience has felt pretty bland and it makes me appreciate PoE2 even more.
Who am I to say anything, I don't respect my time either.
The main issue I noticed when I tried D4 again was the items. They're weightless.. meaningless.. Just try picking up an item and move it around. It feels like nothing. I have no association with it.

It's odd, and it makes me fully appreciate the design pillars GGG established.
D4,or any other like LE,Titan or the old dawn or whatever,

they are "old" because of the core design concept,

POE2 is the new generation of ARPG and right now has no rivals.

I hope all of them or their dev could come up with new generation games, meantime, POE2 rules!
Suggested alternate topic title: You're primed to win, D4 sucks but it's not looking so great for PoE2 right now either. Don't blow, but yeah... all signs point to you blowing it.

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POE2 is the new generation of ARPG and right now has no rivals.


>next generation arpg
>looks inside
>copypasted mechanics from 13 year old game
My 0.4 leaguestarter: Lightning Spear Amazon

https://poe.ninja/poe2/profile/default_mp3-9394/vaal/character/fava_amazonls
You might just have ARPG stockholm.
Neither games are good. Both have tons of design flaws and old ideas.

There's a slew of ARPGs coming. Not just No Rest for the Wicked and Titan's Quest 2.

I'm giving my money to others for now. Both D4 and PoE2 have had over a year and not improved.
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I don't understand why people keep giving Blizzard second, third, fourth chances thinking that somehow they are going to magically learn how to make a good game.

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