melee vs range

first the patch alltogether def a step in the right direction.
just upgrade your definition of rewarding. cause most things you say are .... totally are not.

then when it comes to combat and balance however

na this just wont work like this.

you cant have on one side a ranger that spams one button and clears whole screens IN ALL directions with ONE button WITHOUT targeting. WITHOUT doing anything except for looting and dodge ground effects.

vs...

OH I HAVE TO FACE THOSE ENEMIES BECAUSE I WANT TO JUMP THEM BUT OHHHHHH WAIT I NEED TO MOUSE OVER SO THE GAME KNOWS WHERE I WANT TO JUMP???
SO AFTER WASD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WHILE DODGING THEIR ATTACKS WHILE SELECTING MY TARGET AND THEN FINALLY PRESSING MY BUTTON TO JUMP THEM.... DO THEY DIE? no of fucking course not you only closed the GAP into their 4 on ground effects or maybe a mana drain. or lets just say someone with a real huge hammer you just dont want in front of you!!!! or you landed but the little guys attack you from behind and sides...but the guy who does the damage is in front of you AND NOW YOU HAVE TO STAND STILL and try to hit him SOLID -> NO MOVEMENT ATTACKS!!!!
or you kite around and wait for next pounce or fury swipe around them in circles trying to make also the guys behind you in front of YOU OMG SO COMPLICATED!!!!!
dont worry not to long if you take DEEP FREEZE you can hit them 50% LONGER and MAYBE KILL THEM AT END OF COMBO OK????? so you can also stay sill 50% LONGER
otherwise we could dodge this volatile core incoming... we dont want that right?????
cause after the pounce he only lost 10% so we need to SWIPE SWIPE SWIPE ...to freeeze them. DONT FORGET TO MOVE IN CIRCLES TO DODGE CORES OR PURPLE EXPLOSIONS OR ARROWS OR OMG NOW THEY GUY I HIT RAN AWAY? then we can ATTACK THEM PEW PERW PEW PEW:...to finally CROSS SLASH THEM AND OMG :::::::
freeze was over and it DID NOT HIT THE ICE CUBES IT DID NOT DIE AGAIN?
BUT I JUMPED ALREADY AWAY??????
MY GAP CLOSER IS STILL ON CD???????
AND THOSE TEN ARCHERS BEHIND ME STILL HIT ME!!!!!!!!! AND I AM OUT OF POTIONS????

fuck this log out.

meanwhile on the ranger

i press ONE button all in front dies...OH THERE WERE SOME ARCHERS BACK THERE? DID NOT SEE THEM LOL but hey they are dead. the yellow seems strong!!! uhhh maybe a second press of my button OH GOOD HE IS DEAD. lets go next screen.
8 screens later oh nice the wolf managed to kill the first pack ;D


aslong as difference between melee and range are like this forget the game.

you cant have one class full AOE MAP clear with ONE button and it kills on edge of screen while...

you make things...like druid. that ONLY attacks in front of him be it with the chocking hydra or the wolf...
bear has some aoe yeah.
still you have to face the direction target the area you want to be active in...always close gaps vs really mean effects... THAT ARE ONLY MEAN if you try to close the gap... otherwise you dont even know they exist. because how would you if the monster dies at the edge of the screeeeen? right? right?

its just super clunky and horrible in comparsion. sure if you want us to go through the campain...
to then compare some builds and now we can either go on the zoom build of the league to even think about amassing enough cash for the items of that build that now everyone neeedss...
so we need to do the campain we just did again???????
wait my char is useless????????????
wait ...what? a fuck this game lets play something else

sure we can go there. and we will go there everytime you do not mid league nerfs btw. it amplifies exactly that effect.
oh i finnished campain if i do xy i can run maps...
looks kinda smooth but it will be 5 times slower than warrior and 10 times slower than ranger.
especially if i am someone with less time i would opt for the char that farms faster. obviously this also means most of his items will be super expensive.

so expensive that ANYONE who can not farm at SIMILAR speeds can forget about getting one of THOSE items!
lets say bow druids are good. now you would have to compete with all deadeyes over very expensive bows while mapping 10 times slower.
sounds like fun?
no of course not so i play deadeye... or like this league i leave!
and all those LEAVE you do not see in the statistics
go back to do we nerf LS mid league? oh no cause if we do some leave???
you do know if you DONT nerf it everyone is like FORCED to play LS if they want to amass currency?
so you put everyone that did NOT start with LS before the question...

DO I REROLL OR QUIT?
cause if you farm 10 times slower in a game like poe..dont even bother.
so those are all your quits when you dont nerf.
wait i need to play LS to be able to farm same speed like the others?
but i just did the campain wait??? i have to do it again just to be in the meta and compete for expensive drops? whaaaat?
thats how you lost from 500k to 250k and refused to nerf LS because of the i DUNNO 10k that would leave?
why would they leave btw if the skill would just be 10 times SLOWER? and the SAME speed as the others??? there would be NO reason to quite since its still VIABLE

you know why you cant mid league nerf? cause your balance team sucks and would probably overnerf.

like the abyss thing. before nerf u there is currency dropping. after nothing.
MIDDLE GROUND HELLO?
but your company seems unable to do that.
loot explosions to 100 divines or NO loot explosions.
to hard code them as 3-5 divines with a fixed ratio? naaa lets just remove it.

cause its more fun to gather 100 000 scarabs right? right?


its your game devs i just think you should
1. choose both -> need content so both can do similar farm/hour
2. need to balance them out and choose one. so both have to combo or can 1 button clear full screens. (its like you have no clear vision with BOTH being in the game while only one is viable)

and yes wolf can run maps. but in a game that is just about items and the worth of items why must 1 guy invest all this work by overcoming all those limitations (gap closing / only hit in front / mouse targeting abilities since they only hit small area/ etc) to do less dmg?????????????????????????????????

while the other gets the best from both worlds no effort but works full screen.

was the druid fun to run campain with? uhm yeah most parts were kinda fun.
since during campain you can skip the mapping part by just run past it and go for the boss.

i mean it starts with poison...if you skip monsters on druid you can drop some plants that do ZERO DMG and slow some...
ok cool...and maybe a THUNDERSTORM that does 0 dmg ...but shocks..ok cool
OR A VULCANOO!!!!! that must do dmg right? that does ZERO DMG and does??? WHO THE FUCK KNOWS? glowing balls??? yeah nice!
or you just run past them and safe the embarassment in front of any elfish caster.....

as archer? you drop poison ARROWWWS that kill everyone who enters ....NICE now we are talking!!!!


even if it(mapping) works..albeit slower...the difference in farm speed is insane. also you dont gain anything by ...combo and aim etc...YOU do LESS dmg and zoom slower! simply for nothing.
no content for this kind of heroes that could be lucrative.
def no fun on maps....

and yeah dont get me wrong during the campain wolf worked and i knew it will probably be fail cause melee...
but the differrence to be that bad.

and dont get me wrong wolf boss dmg is quite insane... if you ...freeze him...
then shred him in the freeze together with lunars blessing and the banner put down bosses die quite fast.

but the ranger who map clears with 1 button.. does not really kill them slower. and also has not to do all this and burst him in the little cd window...nono... he just uses his bow like before ;D and just deletes the boss also. nor do you gain any more farm by killing the boss faster if the map takes 5 times longer. you just farm slower.

its really like ggg never once plays their skills on a juiced map to look at kill speed.

despite you would probably only need 3 gear sets for mosts spells to test them.

and then you could delete 70% of skills cause not viable.
same with VAAL gems or TRANSFIGURED or WHATEVER here are 50 spells maybe you can use one or two?