Hollow palm is weak, not worth using.

Ok it looks good, but that is where the benefits end.

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Can Attack as though using a Quarterstaff while both of your hand slots are empty

Cool animatioons, not much benefit otherwise.

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Unarmed Attacks that would use your Quarterstaff's damage gain:
• Physical damage based on their Skill Level

Not specified but lets say its one to 1 implied. At skill level 20 you get 20% damage. Yet a decently crafted staff at skill level 1 will get much more. A

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• 1% more Attack Speed per 25 Item Evasion Rating on Equipped Armour Items

So at 500 evasion, for example, this would do 20% more speed.

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• +0.1% to Critical Hit Chance per 10 Item Energy Shield on Equipped Armour Items

This is of slightly more consequence. At 500 ES you would 50% more crit chance.


SO what does this actually sum out to at high level. Basically a staff with 20% phys, 50% crit and 20% speed. A three stat weapon that is not even up to par with a rare.

Really? Not even a unique feature here? How about "Applies attacks to nearby enemies (like ancestral call). Something else other than a 3 afix rolled rare weapon?

The skill has a lot of hype but frankly it is disappointing at best. Also if you arent building crit (like chayula) then you are using a 2 afix blue weapon. No +1 to skill gems, or any of the other things you could roll.

Are you like at the end game?

Hollow Palm technique feels super strong early and scales like crazy with + levels.

At end game you're going to have way more evasion on gear, which means it's theme is speed as you can't get that fast otherwise.

Did you properly test it, or is it just complaining post?

I don't need to be endgame to do math. Roll a 3 attr staff with 20% DMG, 50% crit and 20% attack speed. Just do that and you have hollow palm but of course you don't get the other 3 to 9 affixes.

That is insanity.

Your Calculations seems a bit bad here. I tried both staff and hollow palm well while leveling and its a good damage bonus you get.

Also its a lot more evasion. Cause every item you have will count towards evasion. And you can get a lot of evasion. You can get Body Armour up to 2500-2800 evasion. Helmet to 1000-1300. Boots 800-1000. Gloves to 600-800.
Thats a very high increase to attack speed.

If you hybrid its different but then you got for a crit build

Your Calculations seems a bit bad here. I tried both staff and hollow palm well while leveling and its a good damage bonus you get.

Also its a lot more evasion. Cause every item you have will count towards evasion. And you can get a lot of evasion. You can get Body Armour up to 2500-2800 evasion. Helmet to 1000-1300. Boots 800-1000. Gloves to 600-800.
Thats a very high increase to attack speed.

If you hybrid its different but then you got for a crit build

Mega downside it the inability to use Bell. You lose reach and you cant hit it. With Staff you can . With Fists = no bell

As someone who just did 2 SSF runs, one with quarter staff and one hollow palm, its funny reading this post and seeing "Hollow Palm Bad" when it literally just 3 shot Xesht for me in SSF. Its insanely good. comparing my tree when equipping a 535pdps 12% crit quarterstaff vs not, the quarterstaff gains about 4-5k damage on skills but has about 50-60% less attack speed and feels worse. Hollow Palm is indeed not garbage and the calculation is wayyyyyy off.

Btw Hollow Palm at level 20 skill gem gets 180-270 flat physical damage. You arent getting that on a quarterstaff. The highest base type phys quarterstaff has a max roll of 133 physical, even with a max rolled T1 flat phys you only get 227 max phys. Quarterstaff does can quality and percentages however it cant compare to attack speed and crit scaling. so its a matter of do you want slow big hit or fast big crit.

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DarkBiCin#3750 wrote:

As someone who just did 2 SSF runs, one with quarter staff and one hollow palm, its funny reading this post and seeing "Hollow Palm Bad" when it literally just 3 shot Xesht for me in SSF. Its insanely good. comparing my tree when equipping a 535pdps 12% crit quarterstaff vs not, the quarterstaff gains about 4-5k damage on skills but has about 50-60% less attack speed and feels worse. Hollow Palm is indeed not garbage and the calculation is wayyyyyy off.

Btw Hollow Palm at level 20 skill gem gets 180-270 flat physical damage. You arent getting that on a quarterstaff

535pdbs is a pretty crappy quarterstaff.

Also, Hollow Palm just got nerfed for 0.4.

it did but only its attack speed. it lost about 35% attack speed but even then it only loses around 1/6th of its damage if that because of it and thats before crit scaling. Hollow palm is designed for fast attacks and crits which it still does extremely well

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avastcosmicarena#5899 wrote:

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DarkBiCin#3750 wrote:

As someone who just did 2 SSF runs, one with quarter staff and one hollow palm, its funny reading this post and seeing "Hollow Palm Bad" when it literally just 3 shot Xesht for me in SSF. Its insanely good. comparing my tree when equipping a 535pdps 12% crit quarterstaff vs not, the quarterstaff gains about 4-5k damage on skills but has about 50-60% less attack speed and feels worse. Hollow Palm is indeed not garbage and the calculation is wayyyyyy off.

Btw Hollow Palm at level 20 skill gem gets 180-270 flat physical damage. You arent getting that on a quarterstaff

535pdbs is a pretty crappy quarterstaff.

Also, Hollow Palm just got nerfed for 0.4.

The high end of Hollow Palm attack speed got nerfed. Anyone 3-shotting Xesht before is still 3-shotting Xesht.