GGG, I'm so tired of these as*holes* !!!

When will you will start dealing with these market manipulators?

They pollute the game, nobody pays attention. I think this is because everyone gave up. Not because they don't want a clean good game... U have let us down GGG. WHEN WILL U ERADICATE CHEATERS and gimmick's , so tired of them...

It's an open market, people buying low and selling high isn’t cheating, it’s literally how markets work.

It might be frustrating sure, but it’s not against the rules. Every game with a trade economy has flipping and price fixing, PoE isn’t unique.

If you fall for bad pricing or don’t get your items as dirt cheap as they’re listed, that’s on you, not GGG.

Maybe engage the market with more caution if you sold something under value, or rushed to buy from the first dirt-cheap fixer listings, well… it’s that simple.

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

It's an open market, people buying low and selling high isn’t cheating, it’s literally how markets work.

It might be frustrating sure, but it’s not against the rules. Every game with a trade economy has flipping and price fixing, PoE isn’t unique.

If you fall for bad pricing or don’t get your items as dirt cheap as they’re listed, that’s on you, not GGG.

Maybe engage the market with more caution if you sold something under value, or rushed to buy from the first dirt-cheap fixer listings, well… it’s that simple.

Sorry but you are forgetting one thing, in a real market if you set a price for an item you will sell it at that price, instead in this game you can set the price and never sell the item.
Although this behavior is not against the rules, it creates a lot of frustration for players who only want to play the game and not a market simulator.

I think that, in the absence of an instant buyout system, the trading system needs some sort of regulation.

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artxev#6334 wrote:

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

It's an open market, people buying low and selling high isn’t cheating, it’s literally how markets work.

It might be frustrating sure, but it’s not against the rules. Every game with a trade economy has flipping and price fixing, PoE isn’t unique.

If you fall for bad pricing or don’t get your items as dirt cheap as they’re listed, that’s on you, not GGG.

Maybe engage the market with more caution if you sold something under value, or rushed to buy from the first dirt-cheap fixer listings, well… it’s that simple.

Sorry but you are forgetting one thing, in a real market if you set a price for an item you will sell it at that price, instead in this game you can set the price and never sell the item.
Although this behavior is not against the rules, it creates a lot of frustration for players who only want to play the game and not a market simulator.

I think that, in the absence of an instant buyout system, the trading system needs some sort of regulation.

That's not entirely true. In private establishments, owners can and will refuse to give service to you for any reason they see fit, assuming said reasons don't fall outside of what's permissible by laws and regulations.

That logic, unfortunately, also extends to players you're trying to trade with. They can refuse to trade with you for any reason they like, but if we're being charitable, it's often because they're probably too busy doing something important. It's kinda hard to respond when you're trying not to get your ass handed to you by Uber Exarch.

(on that note, I wish you can still use chat even while the game is paused)

That all being said, the process as it stands is incredibly tedious and takes away from the primary focus of the game. Yes, trade is a fundamental aspect of the game which all loot is balanced around, but it shouldn't have to be so painful to engage in. The Currency Exchange was a groundbreaking addition, and I really hope GGG will expand further on this.

I never said it's cheating, it is allowed but at the same time these people are wasting and abusing your time.... WTF, there should be some sort of a method to deal with them.

I don't ask for bans, or drastic measures... but maybe, if these manipulators fail to close a deal or at least respond several times in a row while placing their trades/currency exchange, get muted for some time?

This wouldn't fix the problem, but at least for an hour or 2, it would remove them from the trading pool. This way, the market would be clearer, I guess. Maybe it would even encourage these people to not do crap...

I guess I need to start using currency exchange, which is another layer of bullshit, you have to firstly "get there", secondly it costs GOLD, thank you GGG.

Gold is arguably scarce, yet I have to pay gold even for that crap. I mean, WOW AH has a fee, but somehow POE feels draconic. At least this was my impression last league.

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Pizzarugi#6258 wrote:

(on that note, I wish you can still use chat even while the game is paused)

You actually can, if you pause the game by pushing P, G, etc.

It's a shame we have these bot cartels that mess with the markets. I don't know how to deal with them.

There might not be a good way. A lot of the downsides of ridding ourselves of them are worse than the initial problem.

I do feel the OP's pain though, it makes it hard to price things and makes selling/buying in bulk tedious.

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Sabranic_SilverDeth#2793 wrote:

It's a shame we have these bot cartels that mess with the markets. I don't know how to deal with them.

There might not be a good way. A lot of the downsides of ridding ourselves of them are worse than the initial problem.

I do feel the OP's pain though, it makes it hard to price things and makes selling/buying in bulk tedious.

Thank you.

+1

We are in this all together.