What am I doing wrong.

Evening all,

Apologies if this comes off as thick or it's the old "Git Good" scenario.

I never played POE 1 bar a few hours due to How complex and overwhelming it was for a new player.

Ive started really in POE2 and I must say I'm addicted to the game - Since early access I probably have 200-300+ hours.

The issue I have is that I feel lost in relation to end game currency, crafting and how to actually progress.

I see people on YouTube twitch etc that yes are pretty much masters of the trade when it comes to POE and know everything there is to know - But when I'm sitting with 0 Div and like 40 Ex at level 91 and I see people with 100-200-300+ Div crafting gear and selling it like no tomorrow, I want to get to that level or some form of it.

The issue I have is how the hell do you get there - Where do you start in relation to the crafting or even just knowing what is worth keeping selling recombinating or even listing on the AH - SWindog#1823 is my trade details - If any 1 is able to look at the listing I have and tell me how many of them are a absolute waste of time (I imagine probably 99%) are useless but its just the information I have went off when ive been trying to search for items in that remit.

Really appreciate the help if any is provided.

I never thought I would love the game as much as I do and I can honestly see myself playing it for years to come asd the boomer in me just enjoys it.

Thanks all.

Hey there,

I can relate as I'm in a similar spot.

What I can recommend from my side:
1) Sidekick or any other price-checking tool will help you determine the price value of an item ingame without the need to search for every single item on the Trade site. Still slow, but its a start.

2) You might try to re-create some items you personally would buy as an upgrade. Start with your own class you understand.

3) Experiment. It's an early access and if you will be playing league, economy will reset. No need to sit on essences or any other currency really. You can invest it to learn. You will lose it, most likely, but if you don't mind, you can have some fun if you manage to create something usable.

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PoE 2 is still a very much copy of PoE 1 with many systems. PoE 1 had a really complicated crafting system and new players were totally lost in it, while those who played a lot knew their ways to capitalize on it (on those buying the items, really) and players were able to craft absurdly OP items that nothing dropped by monster could even compare to. I never liked crafting in PoE 1 at all.

While you can see some of those voicing their opinions wishing for a full copy of PoE 1, I am personally happy it isn't this overcomplicated as it balances the scales between veterans and newbies a bit. I think its more welcoming and fair, but you know.. you take some wealth from the wealthy and they get angry :)

Anyway, its early access, the best way to learn is to jump into it a bit and start experimenting... or if you don't mind, watch some videos, guides, etc. :)

I think you aren't doing anything "wrong". You're playing a game and enjoying it.

The issue seems to be perspective that you're not achieving the same level of success that streamers are... and you have to remember that for many of these people, this is what they *do*. Average players do not have the time and knowledge to trade like they do and I would venture the majority of players will never experience the end game like they do.

Now, if that's your goal... practice, read a LOT, learn what to look for to resell. Buy low, sell high. The old rule of trading.

Or you could keep playing your way, have fun, and don't worry about it. My buddy and I go through lulls and progress. The other night I died like 6 or 8 times in a night on tier 9 maps and prompted me to change some skills around to be more survivable, and i started being able to run tier 11's like nothing and progress a little more. Pretty soon I'll hopefully have tier 15's dialed in similarly and can start working on the super juicy maps.

Some nights you eat the bear, some nights the bear... well it eats you.

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Hondo42#9683 wrote:

Or you could keep playing your way, have fun, and don't worry about it.

I had a crazy addiction to LoL back in the day where I cared too much.

I'm in retirement lala land with POE2 and not one single player is forcing you to improve, so I don't know why people are over stressing about the challenge but alas certain streamers are really taking over the minds.

I pretty much just watch some Asmongold video's, never his twitch, the bar is set pretty low for me because he never completed campaign with Warrior I don't think and just zombie'd on Necro xD

I like Raxx as a streamer that indicates basically the overall balance of the game but I think going as hard as he does is just defeating the game's purpose, I still don't know why blowing up entire screens with 2-3 skills max is fun.

Hi all,

Thanks for the reply's.

Im not stressing over the original message it just frustrates me lol.

It would be nice to gain a further understanding of how the market pricing crafting etc is used to a advantage tis all.

Im by no means a "try hard Andy" (i think the cool kids say) these days lol.

It would be nice just not to be a broke as biatch every league haha.

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Swindog#1823 wrote:

Evening all,

Apologies if this comes off as thick or it's the old "Git Good" scenario.

I never played POE 1 bar a few hours due to How complex and overwhelming it was for a new player.

Ive started really in POE2 and I must say I'm addicted to the game - Since early access I probably have 200-300+ hours.

The issue I have is that I feel lost in relation to end game currency, crafting and how to actually progress.

I see people on YouTube twitch etc that yes are pretty much masters of the trade when it comes to POE and know everything there is to know - But when I'm sitting with 0 Div and like 40 Ex at level 91 and I see people with 100-200-300+ Div crafting gear and selling it like no tomorrow, I want to get to that level or some form of it.

The issue I have is how the hell do you get there - Where do you start in relation to the crafting or even just knowing what is worth keeping selling recombinating or even listing on the AH - SWindog#1823 is my trade details - If any 1 is able to look at the listing I have and tell me how many of them are a absolute waste of time (I imagine probably 99%) are useless but its just the information I have went off when ive been trying to search for items in that remit.

Really appreciate the help if any is provided.

I never thought I would love the game as much as I do and I can honestly see myself playing it for years to come asd the boomer in me just enjoys it.

Thanks all.

Those people either play the game as a job, grinding maps for loot. When the builds efficiency value is measured in "divine per hour"

Or they play Craft of exile
and all day they sit in the hideout trading and gamblin.

I wouldn't call it crafting to flip currencies and hurl 100 orbs at 100 white items to get a lucky one that can be sold for "profit"

The game isn't balanced around you can just play the game and get divines.
Its balanced around that you can trade and buy 50 divines and if you have good luck, you can turn that into 80...

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Swindog#1823 wrote:

Evening all,

Apologies if this comes off as thick or it's the old "Git Good" scenario.

I never played POE 1 bar a few hours due to How complex and overwhelming it was for a new player.

Ive started really in POE2 and I must say I'm addicted to the game - Since early access I probably have 200-300+ hours.

The issue I have is that I feel lost in relation to end game currency, crafting and how to actually progress.

I see people on YouTube twitch etc that yes are pretty much masters of the trade when it comes to POE and know everything there is to know - But when I'm sitting with 0 Div and like 40 Ex at level 91 and I see people with 100-200-300+ Div crafting gear and selling it like no tomorrow, I want to get to that level or some form of it.

The issue I have is how the hell do you get there - Where do you start in relation to the crafting or even just knowing what is worth keeping selling recombinating or even listing on the AH - SWindog#1823 is my trade details - If any 1 is able to look at the listing I have and tell me how many of them are a absolute waste of time (I imagine probably 99%) are useless but its just the information I have went off when ive been trying to search for items in that remit.

Really appreciate the help if any is provided.

I never thought I would love the game as much as I do and I can honestly see myself playing it for years to come asd the boomer in me just enjoys it.

Thanks all.

I want to say first that "crafting" in this game is terrible. IMO you can't even call it crafting because to "craft" something you would need to know what you're making. This is more "slot-machine" RNG luck. Even the recombinator sucks. It fails way too much even with two Magic items at 50%, but if you get lucky you get a base to start with There's a few things you can do to manipulate outcomes, like using omens or essences, but it's all RNG. Finding a good base to start. slam something. Still good? Regal. Still good? Exalt until bricked.

Pay no mind to what you see content creators doing. They play as a job. 12-14+ hours a day grinding away and people feed them. What you see in videos and clips is the one or two times they succeed. Not the 1001 times they fail. It should also be mentioned that a lot of them have other means of getting currency that excludes them farming it themselves because apparently, based on recent public events, ToS is more of a "suggestion" rather than "Terms". If you can't afford to devote the time it takes to farm the resources needed for crafting you won't be able to achieve the "vision". Or you can play trade which is boring and slow.

As for yourself there are a few things I can suggest. Any links I post will be ones I use.

Try to pay attention to new builds that pop up. When something powerful, fun or fast shows up you can be sure that there will be people looking to gear up for it. Take note or what gear they'll be looking for. For current builds check out https://poe2.ninja/. That can help see what stats/items to look for with some of the more common and popular builds.


Item information. Meaning which bases people prefer and what affixes they need. https://www.craftofexile.com/ or https://poe2db.tw/us/ are both good sources. People won't pay high price for an item that has low/mid-tier rolls. Also, every gear slot will always have the preferred stat combinations. But, even if an item has the preferred combinations, if the tier is low/mid, they won't sell for as high as you may think. A lot of the items you have listed have 4-5 of the preferred affixes but are either low rolls or the item is corrupted and is overpriced (i.e. Rage Dome - 5/6 good affixes but mid/low rolls and corrupted).
A lot of times if the item doesn't have at least 5 of 6 affixes that are mid to high tiers it won't sell for more than a few Exalts. Usually these are bought by people early mapping or progressing campaign and are looking for something cheap they can replace down the road.

Use a price checking tool. I use https://exiledexchange2.com/. It's easy to setup and use. Combine this with knowledge you gain from the meta builds to price check items that have good affixes. When you're price checking your items you'll want to start with the good affixes but, understand a bad affix will lower the price because it fills a stat. Always check for a little lower than the quantity of the affix. For example, if it has 30% resist check for 25%-35%

I don't know what kind, if any(?), Loot filter you use but you could always modify it to highlight any item bases you would want to craft but I'll warn you now that if you aren't very strict about it you'll be in and out of a map 10 times before its done. Make sure you work your atlas points and towers in a profitable matter. I suggest taking item rarity on your atlas as it's multiplicative to other sources. Also don't what build you play the faster you kill the more loot you get. Hmm I'm probably missing other things but can't recall right now. Hope this helps.

To make big money on crafting/selling/flipping items you need a broad sense of what the meta builds are, what items those builds want and sad to say it but you need to pay attention to when a popular streamer swaps to a build that looks strong. In other words you end up preying on the poor fellows that watch those streamers and can quickly hoard in items you know that build will need and sell it to those that follows it.

Now the question is: Are you willing to do this?.. Some are, some are not.

The second category of people that make big trade income is those that lets go of most game play and just sit in hideout buying things on low and selling on high. Again. That comes down to morals.


Third category are those that take it all a step forward. They post sensational clips on youtube and or tweaks a character to get as high dps as possible for poe ninja. Often they post the build on reddit too. But what you don't know is that they have pre-hoarded lots of items in that category so when they post their videos they can sell and make mirrors worth just from people falling for the clickbait. Again morals apply

Fourth category are those that use crafting sites and crafting info sites to learn and memorize what it takes to optimize an item. They look at market for incomplete items and buy them, optimize them through crafting(often calculated risk) then resell for much much higher as complete item. There are lots of people that sell items on the market since they don't know how to progress meaning there are lots of potential to make free currency by buying and completing them. This path is probably fine as then at least they use skill and knowledge to add to the value of items.

To each their own I guess. In any case it takes some work and dedication.