Idols to standard

I know idols aren't core, but it'd be nice to keep the stashes of the ones we have as trophies from this event. Make it fun to collect them. Any chance they would not be deleted?

i hope not because its another p2w mechanic

They do sometimes do this, League stones from legacy league, old style maps etc. But there's a couple reasons why this is a bad idea and they stopped doing it (I think they stopped with Sentinels and also started deleting existing old junk like Bestiary Nets around then): database bloat and technical debt. They already have pretty massive standard db's adding islands of one off bloat is a bad habit, its not going to be a big deal once or twice, but it adds up slowly and it sets a precedent or expectation that no longer useful items will always stick around and this slowly litters their DB's with essentially unused clumps of junk that don't do anything.

Technical debt wise; If they decide to try idols again later, then they have quad tabs upon quad tab of pre existing ones to consider, that they ether have to change to no longer work -- in which case why even keep them around -- or let the playerbase have them. (and any odd interactions or unwanted versions or modifiers or buggy interactions they might cause) Old versions might also make for more testing iterations (for us to do at league launch lol) So they might then feel compelled to redesign or series advance the new ones; to obsolete the old ones. Its extra unnecessary work even if its pretty trivial. Especially when deleting them is more trivial.

league stone micro management is a reason why i quit legacy league back in the day.

tbh i rather ggg just remove these temp league items if they're no longer relevant by end of the league.

seeing valuable harvest seeds that cannot use in stash is such a taunt.

Better idea:

Void everything.

Delete standard.

I keep saying to treat leagues as they are… temporary. It ended? Delete everything. No standard merge. It would fix a lot of problems.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate#2605 wrote:

Better idea:

Void everything.

Delete standard.

Another Standard-hating maroon.

League isn't the only thing people play here.

So kindly please go pound sand.


But yeah don't let idols go to standard if they won't have any use there but to take up unnecessary space.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate#2605 wrote:

Better idea:

Void everything.

Delete standard.

Incredibly selfish and pointless take. "I don't like it and things I don't like should not be allowed to exist" is not a flattering mentality.

I hate Zoom zoom and I think Trade SC POE is a joke. But I am perfectly okay with these garbage tier aspects of the game continuing to exist because some people love trivial game modes that anyone can "win" at by merely imitating someone elses gameplay, or following someone else around.

Same reason I think Creative mode Minecraft or journey mode Terraria need to exist.

Games like this should always have multiple modes that serve a wide range of tastes and situations including a permanent one for people who have jobs and lives and more than one interest.

I'd go even further: I think POE would benefit from more modes not less. And should periodically spend some minor effort on curating and improving the various modes QoL and features.

There's zero reason at this point why Standard couldn't get new league mechanics a month after league start or something. It wouldn't hurt anything and would give people with more of a life a chance to experience the content that never goes core.

I think GGG actually does themselves a disservice by neglecting standard and modes like Ruthless, or a hypothetical Medium core mode. Ignoring them because they aren't the most popular way to play is missing the forest for the trees. Its actually quite silly to ignore vectors that could grow their playerbase -- if they were iterated upon -- expand their game considerably.

POE2 shows that there's quite a lot of people NOT PLAYING POE1 for any number of reasons but interested in the genre. This suggests to me that GGG has undeserved their market. I'm one of those people in fact.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate#2605 wrote:

Better idea:

Void everything.

Delete standard.

Honestly they would have a much better and easier time to balance the game without standard being in the way.

Every new league would give them new opportunities to try out something new or different without causing damage to standard, upsetting players cause content didn't made it into the game.

At the very least they wouldn't have to apply band-aid balance changes to keep both standard and league afloat at the same time.

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Pashid#4643 wrote:

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate#2605 wrote:

Better idea:

Void everything.

Delete standard.

Honestly they would have a much better and easier time to balance the game without standard being in the way.

Every new league would give them new opportunities to try out something new or different without causing damage to standard, upsetting players cause content didn't made it into the game.

At the very least they wouldn't have to apply band-aid balance changes to keep both standard and league afloat at the same time.

I don't think they've honestly considered standard when making league mechanics in years. They've made tons of borrowed power and non borrowed broken power leagues and honestly most of the stuff they do design completely breaks standard.

They've also relaxed about void leagues the last couple years having many events that would have been voided in the past not so.

Then there's Crucible trees, which obsoleted every mirror weapon in the history of the game ffs.

Div's over exalts deleted bazillions of standard wealth accumulation.

Not buying any speculation that Standard has even a tiny effect on leagues. I'd say its pretty obviously not the case.