Mysterious Lineage (Titan Ascendancy Node) seems bugged with Atziri's Disdain

Hello,

Opening this thread to report what I think is a bug.

I am currently playing a Titan with the plan to scale Life/ES with Atziri's Disdain and both recharges with Tetzlapokal's Desire, going with the full Vaal look.

Getting my 3rd ascendancy, I allocated Mysterious Lineage giving my character 15% more Maximum Life.
Strangely enough this doesn't affect at all the amount of ES given by Atziri's Disdain mod : Gain X% of Maximum Life as extra Maximum ES.
This implies that Mysterious Lineage life multiplier occurs after Atziri's Disdain ES calculation, which feels like a bug.

What do you think ?

Same thing with "Small Passive Skills in radius also grant 1% increased maximum life" mod from Against the Darkness

Could try unequipping and reequipping Atziri's Disdain, but yea, sounds buggy.

Same with %increased maximum life from Bloodmage's small nodes or soul cores. It looks like it only considers the base life.

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Reyko13#1490 wrote:

Getting my 3rd ascendancy, I allocated Mysterious Lineage giving my character 15% more Maximum Life.
Strangely enough this doesn't affect at all the amount of ES given by Atziri's Disdain mod : Gain X% of Maximum Life as extra Maximum ES.
This implies that Mysterious Lineage life multiplier occurs after Atziri's Disdain ES calculation, which feels like a bug.

"Converts" and "Gain as" occur at the same time, and before modifiers to the base stat are counted.

Unlike PoE1, they don't want things like "I convert my physical damage to cold damage to lightning damage to fire damage, so modifiers to physical, cold, lightning, and fire damage all apply". The ES "Gain % of Life as ES" will only scale with modifiers to base life (+life from gear or from Strength's inherent bonus).

%increased ES and %more ES modifiers will apply to it, but %increased Life and %more Life will not.

But this is not conversion, this is gain as extra and its different I think.
For instance I have the "Notable passives give 4% of damage as extra fire damage" mod on the same Against the Darkness, and the %inc Cold damage I get increase my overall damage and then the fire damage gained from this Against the Darkness mod.

If only base was taken into account for "Gain as extra" like it is the case for conversion, only base damage would give me extra fire damage, right ?

I see people already reported the confusing interaction.


If you take unbending in the tree, which is "3% increased maximum life" it works, but if you use against the darknest with the mod "% increased maximum life" it does not.

So I assume the calculation is done with the tree nodes, and the ascendency node are not taken in account (though the phrasing on Mysterious lineage is slightly different), then it goes through the unique but in a given order where jewels come last or at least after Atziri's disdain which leads to not taking it in account.

It is also the same principles with relics.


I think it is misleading and an issue with the item, I think it should be coded so that it applies to the maximum life after all other potential items have been taken in account.

if you are happy with the calculation then you have to update some in game tooltip information as it is confusing.
Supposedly POE2 is meant to be an improvement over POE1 when it comes to tooltip information but there is still quite a bit of UI/UX effort to get it right.