Lingering Illusion + Profusion + Serpent's Egg interaction

Hi,

So I believe there is a bug with the interaction between Lingering Illusion with Profusion and using the unique Serpent's Egg. As when you generate a power charge you only get (2) however reading the items/skills separately I believe it should generate more.

The mechanics
My Lingering Illusion has has 52% chance to grant an additional power charge when killed.

Profusion Grants 50% to grant an additional charge when killed.

Serpent's Egg Says Gain an additional charge when you gain a charge.


Two Understandings

1st = Lingering Illusion + Profusion generates (2) charges guaranteed. When using this in conjunction with Serpent's Egg anticipating that since you are Gaining a charge twice it would therefore grant (4) charges.

2nd = Lingering Illusion + Profusion generates (2) charges guaranteed. When using this in conjunction with Serpent's Egg you gain (1) additional charge as you have only gained (1) charge that granted an additional charge.

Conclusion
a) interaction is bugged and should generate either (3) or (4).
b) interaction is intended but requires clarification. Suggestion would be to change wording of serpents fang to 100% chance to generate an additional charge. And then underline "chance to generate an additional charge" to say it is capped at 100%.
Last bumped on Apr 25, 2025, 12:20:25 PM
I am also seeing this interaction. It's almost certainly not the intention, as using Combat Frenzy at 20% quality, Profusion, and Serpent's Egg generates 3 charges each time Combat Frenzy triggers. Lingering Illusion should similarly be generating (at least) 3 charges each time it would try to generate a charge. I have a level 17, 20 quality lingering illusion. With Profusion, it comes to 134% chance to generate an additional charge. And Serpent's Egg generates one more on top of that. So, 34% of the time it should generate 4 charges, otherwise it generates 3.
Wait, the way you typed it is kinda off.

So Lingering Illusion on its own has:

Grants (1) power charge upon enemies killing the illusion.
Has a (#%) to also grant an additional charge (1) & depending on quality that chance is raised.

Profusion:

Has a (#%) for supported skills to grant additional power charge (1).
Now with top quality and gem level, the % are additive I suppose, so there is no guarantee you'll get (2) power charges.

Conclusion: You have 100% to get a power charge (1) & (#%) to get an additional power charge (1). How big that (#%) is, I don't know.

When you add the Amulet:

You will always receive minimum (2) power charges, and maximum (4).

Question:

What are your (#%) to get an additional power charge separately from Profusion and Illusion?

Forgot to add:
It could be the case that quality increases for Illusion to grant another charge might be tied to the gem itself, and is not a general stat that gives you additional charge. Meaning, they don't combine with Profusion chance to grant you charge.

Small note:
Maximum charges are capped to 3. So for you to gain any more than 3 you need to take a node or unique item that gives you +1 to power charges.
Last edited by ex_IllusionisT#8571 on Jan 10, 2025, 7:14:14 AM
So I'm not sure if this is intened but I have been testing both killing palm and sniper's mark with Profusion + Serpent's Egg and have not gotten 3 charges a single time. Notably I also have the Resonance Keystone however I doubt that would matter in this case.

Seems like gain an additional charge is the same mod for any source. Skill summary show's 150% chance to gain an additional charge with profusion + Serpent's Egg. Chance to gain an additional charge does not show up when only Serpent's Egg is equipped but it's 100% just hidden in the tooltip.

150% chance is the same as 100% if it is the chance to get ONE additional charge. so basically: either use serpent's egg or profusion both seem to have no effect together at least with the two skills listed above.

Would kinda sucks if this is intended since most builds will use one skill to generate charges. Those skills usually don't have too much use for support gems other than profusion which becomes useless with Serpent's Egg. Or more likely Serpent's Egg becomes useless.
TLDR: charge generation with Serpent's Egg 100% bugged

short update on my testing:

using frost wall to freeze with combat frenzy + Resonance + Serpent's Egg ALWAYS gives 3 charges even without quality on combat frenzy for chance to gain an additional charge. This is VERY weird but also proves there is very much bugged with charge generation when using Serpent's Egg.

Also tested combat frenzy without serpent's egg as a controll ofc and always got 1 charge. Also tested ice strike as control to make sure it's not frost wall hitting a lot at the same time messing something up but same result. 3 charges with serpent's egg on freezing.

I might test some other charge generation methods as well as not using Resonance later this week and will report back then.
Short update. The combat frenzy bug is not related to resonance and also not to extra charge generation generally. even without resonance I get 3 charges on every trigger with serpent's egg and 1 charge without. Using profusion instead of serpent's egg sometimes gives 1 sometimes 2 charges as expected.
I hope this gets looked at! My Chayula monk is trying to run Charge Infusion and Serpant's Egg is an amulet I've been eyeing for the build.

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