questions from a Diablo player

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Raycheetah wrote:

No one can rationally deny that having stash tabs beyond the basic set is, to some degree, a tangible advantage.

tbh even the basic ones do give advantage too just to a lesser extent

a lot of us give GGG a free pass on its p2w ness, even myself. its still one of the most acceptable levels of p2w that players can accept.

how much should I pay for necessary tabs? 40-60$ would be acceptable since game is free. e.g. I payed 110$ on D4 until now in 1.5 years for game and expansion, base versions not ultimate.

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danutz23 wrote:

how much should I pay for necessary tabs? 40-60$ would be acceptable since game is free. e.g. I payed 110$ on D4 until now in 1.5 years for game and expansion, base versions not ultimate.

Only you can decide what is necessary for you my dear friend. However, I would suggest at least one premium tab to make trading easier and the currency and map tabs at a minimum. The divination cards tab and the essence tab are also very nice to have.

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danutz23 wrote:

how much should I pay for necessary tabs? 40-60$ would be acceptable since game is free. e.g. I payed 110$ on D4 until now in 1.5 years for game and expansion, base versions not ultimate.

I suggest trying out PoE 1 for free for now - you can still jump into the Settlers league, which is likely to continue into January. This will let you decide if you like GGG's general way of doing things. Several people in this thread have said you can experience all the content as free to play, so why not find out if they were telling the truth?

You will see options to join the Necro Settlers league, but don't go there! While that league is a fun twist for experienced players, GGG did not do a very good job balancing the difficulty at the beginning of game. (I ran into a pack of blue meatsacks that were effectively unkillable at my level in the Act I Mudflats.) For a player new to this game, it will likely be a turn-off.

I don't recall if this came up earlier in the thread, there are ways that leagues in PoE are different from seasons in D4. If you have played more than one season in D4, you know that any altars of lilith that you have previously unlocked are unlocked for you in the new season. In PoE 1 (and I expect in PoE 2) a new league is a completely fresh start. The only advantage you carry over is that if you had previously purchased stash tabs, then you get fresh, empty copies of those tabs in the new league.

When a new league starts, none of the features of the league will apply to standard (eternal), except general balance changes. After a league ends, a watered-down form of some of the league content may be added to the base game and thus be available in standard, as well as in future leagues. For example, after Settlers ends, it's pretty unlikely that players will be building Kingsmarch again, though I hope some form of currency exchange gets folded into the base game.

I know you have said you don't play seasons in D4, but leagues are the thing in PoE. Less than 10% of the player base plays in Standard (Eternal equivalent). The trade economy in standard is warped by items from past leagues that are no longer attainable. Between power creep over time and GGG rebalancing skills they felt were too powerful in the hands of top players, expect to have to respec or have to start a new character from scratch. (I think Chris Wilson once said to expect an effective 10% loss in power from league to league for existing characters.) PoE does not have cheap respecs like D4, so as a new player a respec may be too expensive.

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danutz23 wrote:

how much should I pay for necessary tabs? 40-60$ would be acceptable since game is free. e.g. I payed 110$ on D4 until now in 1.5 years for game and expansion, base versions not ultimate.

To buy what I'd consider the essetional amount of stash tabs, the total would come to roughly 60$ (595 Store Points). Though that's the non-sale value, and they do roughly 25% off Stash sales about every two weeks or so (including as of time of posting).

This includes the following;
Upgrading 4 normal tabs to Preimium.
Currency (Absolutely number 1).
Divination (Huge life saver)
Map (Just short of required for late game)
Blight (Medium Importance)
Essence (Medium Importance)
Fragments (Medium-high)
Delve (Low)
Delirium (Low)
Ultimatum (Low)


The unique, Flask and Gem tabs are fine, but they're not particularly necessary, unless you LOVE collecting uniques, then I'd suggest that tab for space reasons. Premium tabs are very nice as are the quads if you maintain large collections of stuff like a packrat like me, but the space provided in the four standard tabs is generally more than enough.

Also note, at least according to GGG as far as I'm aware, your tabs will carry over to PoE2.

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exsea wrote:

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feike wrote:

I understand perfectly your point

I just cant really agree because one thing:

What the hell is "winning" on a game like poe?

Poe is none of those:
On competitive games:

Poe has none of these things

i ll summarize what i've said earlier. can buying something from the ingame cash shop give a player an advantage over a player who doesnt?

the short answer is yes.

and thus that makes it p2w

I think this is completely subjective, and depends on what you want out of the game. As for me, there is nothing you can buy, no amount of money that you can spend, that will give you an advantage over me. Why? Because nothing you can do can affect how I play and enjoy POE.

So, is there something you can buy that will give you an advantage in my game? The short answer is no. I will "win" on my own terms, and that's what makes it not p2w.

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CelticHound wrote:

Would the game be more tedious for you in SSF with only 4 regular stash tabs?

Would you be spending time muling items to other characters or alt accounts?

Would you be willing to play an entire league SSF only using 4 regular, non-quad tabs? Or would it be painful because you would miss the advantages you get from the extra tabs?

Da fq is that logic?

I played PoE way before anyone knew there will be any special tabs and all did good. PoE is PAY for CONVENIENCE.

And "why should you"?

Everyone has its own reasons. For me it is just like buying game. PoE is GREAT game and devs deserve their payment.

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AcrylicHercules wrote:

I think this is completely subjective, and depends on what you want out of the game. As for me, there is nothing you can buy, no amount of money that you can spend, that will give you an advantage over me. Why? Because nothing you can do can affect how I play and enjoy POE.

So, is there something you can buy that will give you an advantage in my game? The short answer is no. I will "win" on my own terms, and that's what makes it not p2w.

I would say "not p2w for me".

Though by your standard, since I dislike PvP and could do everything else in the game, Diablo Immortal is also not p2w for me. There nothing any whale there can do to reduce my enjoyment of that game.

In Path of Exile, I think the only place where the convenience of stash tabs provides an advantage over other players due to the time savings is in league ladders. Since I am never going to play quickly enough - or even desire to play quickly enough - to place in a league ladder, PoE is not p2w for me.

If I were a player competing for top ten in league ladders, then a premium tab (if trading) and at least currency and map tabs would be mandatory, or I'd be at a distinct disadvantage.

Thankfully, I believe GGG doesn't tout the ladders much. If they changed that and did a promotion where they offered prizes to top ladder players, then... Oh crap! I forgot about the Trial of the Ancestors Boss Kill Event! I think currency and map tabs were pretty much mandatory to be competitive there.

Actually, a better argument against PoE being p2w might be that - after buying a core set of tabs - spending additional money doesn't provide additional advantage. So there are no whales in PoE.

Now I'm wondering about something else - why are so many people excited to play right when a league starts as opposed to waiting a day or two so GGG can smooth out any hiccups? I league start in SSF more often than not, so early economy doesn't mean anything to me.

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Northern_Ronin wrote:

Blight (Medium Importance)
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Delve (Low)

Hi - I'd like your take on why you feel a Blight tab is more important than a Delve tab.

I have a Delve tab - and think it's useful for resonator clutter - but I never got a Blight and just use a regular tab for oils and blighted maps. What am I missing out on?

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CelticHound wrote:

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AcrylicHercules wrote:

I think this is completely subjective, and depends on what you want out of the game. As for me, there is nothing you can buy, no amount of money that you can spend, that will give you an advantage over me. Why? Because nothing you can do can affect how I play and enjoy POE.

So, is there something you can buy that will give you an advantage in my game? The short answer is no. I will "win" on my own terms, and that's what makes it not p2w.

I would say "not p2w for me".

Yep. That's what subjective means.