Did they finally kill RF?

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

cheaper now?? have you played a strength/int stacker build before? they are expensive AF.

Every build gets expensive once you go into the giga min-maxing, not just str/int stacking. You prob looked at captainlance9 mirror tier items and think that you have to get the exact same items in order to get the build going because you're used to just copy and paste everything a guide/streamer tells you. But you don't need the same items cause even with budget str/int stacking your build will be cheaper than the previous rf and perform much better in both terms of damage and survivability. All the few crafts are pretty deterministic essence spamming, something rf players are pretty much used to anyways. So not really anything out of the box.

Im sorry but the old school RF mechanic was awful and was only viable as an endgame build with a lot of investment. It had very little build diversity as you needed to stack tons of health or go low life and theres not many items in the game to help you achieve that. The current RF mechanic was much more diverse in how you could build it as it scaled by increasing its base damage. The RF mechanic of increasing your spell damage of other skills is also pretty awful and most people dont even use that as a primary use for the skill that for some reason GGG tries to get us to use.

I forgot exactly what RF modifiers GGG put in Crucible for weapons but I remember they were awful and no one used them, GGG seemed tone def for those RF additions and it seems like they're at it again, changing the skill mechanic into something the community doesnt even want.

Guys, I listen to all your opinions, some I agree with, some I don't. How can you say that RF was cheap? The game is not about completing acts easily and farming white/yellow maps, the game is about farming difficult things in red maps, killing uber bosses, if you tell me that RF could do these things with zero investment it's a lie, aka RF is not never been cheap, you have to stop letting yourself be subjugated by some streamer/contents creator and start using your brain, is a build that requires a minimum of 50 divine to start cheap?
Obviously this is my opinion, but perhaps I have another conception of the game.

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battolsct wrote:

Guys, I listen to all your opinions, some I agree with, some I don't. How can you say that RF was cheap? The game is not about completing acts easily and farming white/yellow maps, the game is about farming difficult things in red maps, killing uber bosses, if you tell me that RF could do these things with zero investment it's a lie, aka RF is not never been cheap, you have to stop letting yourself be subjugated by some streamer/contents creator and start using your brain, is a build that requires a minimum of 50 divine to start cheap?
Obviously this is my opinion, but perhaps I have another conception of the game.

have you even played RF before? dont see it on your list. and no you didnt need 50 div. not even 20. i dont remember how much i spent now on my jugg but i'm a poor casual so it had to be 10 div or less

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battolsct wrote:

Guys, I listen to all your opinions, some I agree with, some I don't. How can you say that RF was cheap? The game is not about completing acts easily and farming white/yellow maps, the game is about farming difficult things in red maps, killing uber bosses, if you tell me that RF could do these things with zero investment it's a lie, aka RF is not never been cheap, you have to stop letting yourself be subjugated by some streamer/contents creator and start using your brain, is a build that requires a minimum of 50 divine to start cheap?
Obviously this is my opinion, but perhaps I have another conception of the game.

RF is the kinda build you could get going off nothing and could pour into as much currency as you'd like to scale it up. That's why it was this popular before (besides the comfy playstyle)

Now you have a power slope that only equates to pre-nerf power as you pour money into the character

I guess people got too used to always running RF the same way aside from minor tweaks and changes over time, sorta like what happened with Enki's Arc Witch

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Lyutsifer665 wrote:

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battolsct wrote:

Guys, I listen to all your opinions, some I agree with, some I don't. How can you say that RF was cheap? The game is not about completing acts easily and farming white/yellow maps, the game is about farming difficult things in red maps, killing uber bosses, if you tell me that RF could do these things with zero investment it's a lie, aka RF is not never been cheap, you have to stop letting yourself be subjugated by some streamer/contents creator and start using your brain, is a build that requires a minimum of 50 divine to start cheap?
Obviously this is my opinion, but perhaps I have another conception of the game.

have you even played RF before? dont see it on your list. and no you didnt need 50 div. not even 20. i dont remember how much i spent now on my jugg but i'm a poor casual so it had to be 10 div or less

I use to delete my characters, I have been playing since 2012, since you looked at my profile, I played RF years(years)ago, and thanks to RF I have earned enough in the last few years(years), mine was an example, on those who copy step by step from a build, they can be 50-20-10 divines what changes? I don't understand, in my opinion cheap build is DD no RF. But I swear I don't understand, did you think that I spoke without knowing, without understanding? you went to see if I've ever played RF, ok, that's why I've always written little on the forum, I think its level is really low, and with this I say goodbye.

Its cheap becaue 90% (or more) people who play RF dont care about doing end game content with it. THey use it as a starter to reach red maps and farm for their next build. It was nerfed (finally) because it was one of the most popular build played for like 10 leagues now.
Now if they would nerf TS as well. Guess someone in GGG REALLY doesnt want their build nerfed.

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Aynix wrote:

Its cheap becaue 90% (or more) people who play RF dont care about doing end game content with it. THey use it as a starter to reach red maps and farm for their next build. It was nerfed (finally) because it was one of the most popular build played for like 10 leagues now.
Now if they would nerf TS as well. Guess someone in GGG REALLY doesnt want their build nerfed.

its cheap because you dont need anything fancy on it. and if you want to push it further then you can, it will just cost more. pohx did ubers on his RF jugg....it can be done

You'll naturally build it more tanky now, too. At 5k life you'll have like 16-17% less damage. Break even at 7k life. It's fine. You won't scale base damage with gem levels now. Get more hp, instead.

Plus, we haven't seen what the alt qualities look like for RF next league.

AH goold old days when 8k life on RF was considered normal. You will just go back to str stacking and scorching ray instead of fire trap, no big deal. 1k str is easy to get these days.