Desperate help needed to salvage a archmage-agonist-mind over matter build
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So, for the first time ever, I decided to start a league with a build of my own instead of a tried-and-tested one from the forums. However, it feels my efforts are turning out to be an exercise in futility.
My build is theorized around the concept of an extreme large mana pool - this then could be tapped into offensively via archmage and defensively via agonist and mind over matter. The large mana:life ratio would also mean RF could be sustained for a significant spell power boost. Unfortunately, it all turned out to be pure fantasy - what I got is essentially a glorified glass peashooter (as opposed to a tanky/glass cannon). I initially started with Crackling Lance but recently switched over to Arc after reading about how Crackling Lance is worse. For what it's worth, I did not feel the slightest improvement with Arc. I have tried using Indigon instead of archmage, but the cost spirals way too high after getting hit a few times, making casting anything impossible. I am also working towards six-linking a Cloak of Defiance (via 'Fated Connections' prophecy) as well as obtaining Omeyocan boots (rolling for Apex of Ascension for upgrade) to get the dodge chance boosts. Would these even help? My build's PoB. (For some reason, the pastebin links I generate don't exist)
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Could someone please have a look and advise me on how to make this work/how to salvage it, or whether it'd be best to just give up? Any suitable uniques/gear item suggestions are also appreciated Last edited by JLiu005 on Oct 14, 2020, 9:58:02 PM Last bumped on Oct 21, 2020, 9:47:18 AM
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i'm not a god gamer, and played just a few leagues (2-4), so i think is a bit of context. I just checked your profile and saw that u got a few characters, so can be a hint that u are a "new player", making builds that can do well or even the end game costs alot of time and game knowledge, so i really recomend that u follow a guide.
If u want insist there's some points that i noticed: 1 Your pob belt is missing im assuming that is anykind of error, case fire res isn't 75% too. 2 If u doing a crit build you will need a Diamond Flask the "Critical strike change is lucky" its too strong for budget crit builds. 3 I think Atziri's Foible is the BIS for any mana based build of this kind. 4 The boots too i think Omeyocan is best the u boots ( i know is expensive, but in this kind of build there's only a few slots for "budget") 5 I think u reserving too much mana if u got a good regen drop the clarity and add an essence worm with Wrath, this will make using a clear mind possible (boost damage and mana regen). 6 For a mana build 6k is kinda short. | |
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Like you said, I am far from a veteran, no doubt the reason I keep running into the wall with unguided build making.
The belt missing in the PoB seems to be due to it being the new 'Mechalarm belt' base type. My Fire res is capped from the belt. I had a look and Atziri's Foible seems like a perfect fit. I'm just frustrated at myself not noticing this as I had just spent ~50c anointing my current rare resist-packed amulet with 'Crusader'. RE: the crit stacking - I'm honestly considering dropping it - the stats from the cluster jewels don't seem to make as much of a difference compared to just increasing ele/lightning damage from the skill tree. The one question I have remaining here is whether I should make an effort to prioritize increasing my life? In any case, thank you so very much for the reply. Last edited by JLiu005 on Oct 18, 2020, 4:51:34 AM
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Looking upon your character, I see you have 2x Lavianga´s Spirit flasks - using them makes your skills cost no mana, so I would assume that doesn´t work with archmage?
Your pathing towards Acrobatics seems to be a huge waste of points, I would propose speccing out of this and the cluster jewels node at the top right, and going staff nodes plus a staff as weapon (and cluster jewels at top left); the other solution would be to go pathfinder instead of elementalist - which is more common - and start from the ranger wheel; you would then skip the entire left side of the tree. The dreamer node is counter-productive as it reduces your mana cost (high mana cost = high damage). Why do you use unleash as a support gem? I never played arc, but it does not seem to be a good support for it. For the support gems, I would rather go something like: SigilofPower-Empower-IncAoe-2ndWind ArcBrand-WaveOfConvction-Curse ArcCloak-2ndWind-Empower-ArcSurge TravelSkill/Portal/Whatever In general I would recommend looking up a few similar builds on poe.ninja, to see which direction to go. My current build is also quite similar, but far from being min-maxed. I went blade vortex, just because I don´t have to recast and spam mana flasks permanently. Last edited by BaalsRevenge on Oct 21, 2020, 4:46:51 AM
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Lavianga´s Spirit flasks indeed does not work with archmage - learned that the hard way - but it works perfectly with Indigon. In fact, it seems to be the only way to continuously cast spells what with the massively increasing mana costs.
My reasoning behind investing in dodge via acrobatics stems from the fact that my damage mitigation, other than MoM, is practically nil. With no armour and no ES (courtesy of The Agonist), the dodge mechanic would allow me (RNG willing of course) to space out the damage sufficiently enough to heal through it. For the record, it works fine outside of two situations: 1) I get swarmed (grand heist escape anyone?) and literally in seconds melt and 2) I get hit so hard the respawn screen instantly pops up (Level 80 Catarina does this to me and I still don't know how). Re: the dreamer node - I actually only took that for the maximum mana. As for unleash I agree with you: I've been hopefully given that it essentially does 4 casts in an instant. Unfortunately, the wind up 'seal recovery' time is far too slow for a rapid-cast skill like Arc. Going to switch back to Spell echo. I've never though of using blade vortex. Wouldn't the lack of damage boosting from + elemental damage hurt a lot? Thank you very much for the reply! My build isn't really a build so much as an experiment looking to see what works so your feedback is greatly appreciated! Going to look into your staff suggestion - 'Pledge of hands' seems to be a great fit with the massive mana increase and innate spell echo. Wish me luck! xD PS. THANK YOU SO MUCH for the Arcanist brand - Wave of Conviction - Curse idea. I finally have an autocaster that doesn't melt like totems on high levels! Last edited by JLiu005 on Oct 23, 2020, 3:17:04 PM
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